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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis treehouse and a couple of

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announcements

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first of all Alejandro was not on the

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show and this time was my choice

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actually and nothing against him at all

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of course he and I are good friends is

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just that I have a wonderful guest in

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our one I want to make sure I had him

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for the whole hour Jeff Bennett is

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coming up in a minute and very excited

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to have him on he was on the show I

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think the number of years ago and he was

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on my other show that I did for a short

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while I think we were talking about

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other subjects other than UFOs and

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things like that tonight we will touch

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on other subjects as well as the UFO

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topic as well in my second hour I have

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deep Prasad on and he is going to be

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talking about all kinds of things

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including extraterrestrial artifacts if

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that's such a thing and quantum

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computing and all kinds of very

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interesting things so hang in there for

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our two as well

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blogs last week I forgot to announce our

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blog and that is was titled UFOs over

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Massachusetts check that out over at

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podcast UFO calm and this week is not so

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ancient UFOs and I learned something by

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reading that blog myself only about oh I

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don't know 15 20 minutes away from where

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there was a 1808 UFO sighting in a diary

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it's really quite interesting and really

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detailed a school teacher wrote that up

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all the way back in 1808 and so

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centuries you know mostly from the 18th

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century when he's saying not so ancient

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sightings that's very interesting so

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check that out I want to thank everyone

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salt with this show race over kgr a

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radio we also have Keith over at the

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I've been running over there for a long

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time and we have people that help out

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behind the scenes for from graphics to

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you name it to the Facebook page we have

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a lot of UFO news so check that out

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there's something new up there every

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single day whether it's space related or

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ufo-related and so my first guest I'm

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gonna bring them on right now is Jeff

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welcome to the show Jeff thank you very

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much Jeff you are an astrophysicist and

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to me that that's brain numbing I just

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call it astronomer instead okay and this

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is only what we see when we want to

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impress people I see okay and so we're

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gonna be talking about different topics

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this evening and one of the things I

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remember when you were on the last time

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five years ago or something like that

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and we talked about the Big Bang Theory

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there were three lines of evidence and

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relativity is based on it but I have a

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relativity still hold well so first I

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would turn that around the idea of the

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Big Bang and how we understand it is we

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understand it through relativity but

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relativity is not dependent on the Big

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completely independent and was

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discovered long before the idea of the

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Big Bang came out now what Einstein did

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discover with relativity which he at

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actually proven by some other folks that

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the theory of relativity is not

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compatible with a static universe so the

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great universe under right didn't you

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say that it was

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greatest blunder yes yeah yes and so he

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should have recognized it himself so

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relativity actually predicts that the

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universe has to be either expanding or

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relativity but just standing still is

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not because of the way gravity works and

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so when Hubble discovered the expansion

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of the universe

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not to have recognized that his theory

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before Hubble discovered it I see

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question before but is it possible that

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there's a polar opposite of the Big Bang

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in other words where the universe can

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expand so far and all of a sudden

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something like we don't really know what

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could the opposite happen and then the

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universe start contracting instead well

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that's actually a very common question

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oh and so we know the universe is

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expanding and basically your question is

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end and we even have a name for it

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called the Big Crunch when it all comes

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crashing back together and the answer is

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pointing to continued expansion forever

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particularly in light of the discovery

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that the expansion is actually

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accelerating which makes it even seemed

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more like nothing could ever turn it

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around but I like to point out that when

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we say it will continue forever that

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also means we have forever to discover

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something new that might change our

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minds about that Wow yeah and so if it

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holes and like the more and more black

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holes that are like to say if it was

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contracting you know I mean is it

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possible that all of a sudden

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the black holes out there could gather

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more and more material and you know is

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that part of the big crunch and in other

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words I'm thoughts of it it would be it

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process it's not causing it in of itself

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difference between them and any other

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source is that when you get really

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really close to them really strange

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stuff is happening to space and time but

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between say a 1 million mass black hole

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gravity would be the same at a distance

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universe starts contracting then at some

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nearby matter and grow and then

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two black holes merging is something

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say that or people say or I've seen a

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documentary on this that I think if you

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took all the space out of every atom in

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your body you would be down to like on a

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pinhead or something ridiculous really

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really tiny is that what happens when a

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in a black hole the matter just gets

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condensed in in a Tomic structure well

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star when gravity takes over so this can

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star's life so when a star has no more

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collapsing the star down once that's

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the question is who wins between gravity

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and the collapsing core so four stars

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like the Sun gravity ultimately fails

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white dwarf and so there you have an

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object that was the mass the size of the

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the electromagnetic force and so they

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form neutrons so at that point the

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just a ball of neutrons so that's kind

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there is no form of matter that exists

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it just keeps compressing itself down

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singularity and that's when you've made

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a black hole around

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well now would say there's a star that

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collapsed down - it was big enough to

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collapse down to a black hole with the

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gravity effect of that be no different

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other words at a distance it would be

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and in fact we know lots of such black

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holes these are black holes and binary

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star systems and so you see another star

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see one stop star orbiting something

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That star being pulled into that hidden

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something else giving off lots of x-ray

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peas because it's heated up very hot as

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its as gravity brings it in and creates

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friction as it orbits down to that

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unseen something else and from the mass

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of that unseen something else you know

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it's a black hole because there's

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nothing else that could be that small

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and that massive well and so we know

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that we have a black hole in the center

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of our galaxy and drink all galaxies

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that is that what makes a galaxy happen

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basically at all that's a really good

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question so first I should say there's

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basically two different classes of black

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holes one is the type that formed when a

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star died so their masses are gonna be

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just a few times that of the Sun and we

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see those all over the place you know in

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these binary systems like I was

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mentioning giving off lots of x-rays

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that's how you find them the other are

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black holes that are millions to

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billions of times the mass of the Sun

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and those are found in the Centers of

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galaxies so the one in the centre of the

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Milky Way has four million times the

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mass of the Sun which is actually pretty

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lightweight compared to many others

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there is pretty strong evidence that

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most if not all galaxies have a black

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questions is the chicken-or-egg question

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which is which came first did the black

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hole form first and lead to the galaxies

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collecting around it with its gravity or

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is it the other way around the galaxy

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forms first and matter down and the

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center collapses to make the black hole

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and no one knows the answer to that

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question well how how safe are we as far

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as like a super nova actually getting us

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someday you know I mean I've listened to

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Fraser over there says something like

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the universe is out to kill us in so

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many different ways you know I mean it's

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possible right that I mean but is it in

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our galaxy that we have to worry about

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no further than that right

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um it would have to be quite close

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within our galaxy to pose any real

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danger so we know the kinds of stars

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that supernova they're very big bright

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stars so if there were any near us we

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would know about them and the closest

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star that is likely to go supernova

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anytime in the next few thousand years

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is baitul juice oh yeah in the shoulder

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of Orion and it's it turns out for

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complex reasons it's really difficult to

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determine the exact distance of baitul

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juice but it's probably about 600 light

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years away now at that distance the

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radiation and the particles from the

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supernova explosion could potentially

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have some impact on earth you know

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causing mutations and living organisms

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and so on but but I would not expect it

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to be a major influence it wouldn't be

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much different than you know for example

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the effects of when we had the ozone

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hole forming back a few decades ago now

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if there were a supernova to happen much

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closer that could have more significant

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biological effects there is nothing

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there are no stars close enough to do

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that right now but if you go millions

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and millions of years in the future

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because we're all orbiting in the Milky

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Way stars are moving relative to one

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another there will be times in the

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future when there are stars that go

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supernova nearby and there have been

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times in the distant past when that's

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happened and there are some scientists

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who wonder if you know some of the big

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events we see in evolution when you get

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increases in the mutation rate you know

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mass extinctions and things like that

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whether there could have been some ties

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to a supernova happening nearby it's an

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unanswered question my own guess is

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probably not

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I think as I usually tell people when

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they're weren't worrying about cosmic

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catastrophes like this we can't rule

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them completely out but we have much

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more to worry about in terms of what we

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do to ourselves than what the cosmos

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does to us right I think we're sort of

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undergoing a mass extinction right now

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we can talk we'll talk a little bit

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that when we're in a talk about

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something that you're been really

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working hard on later on in the show but

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before that I want to talk about last

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time I had you on you were talking about

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a project that you did where I think it

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was somewhere in Maryland or maybe even

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Washington DC where you set up a

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replication of what the solar system

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would be like with the Sun the size of a

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grapefruit

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and I remember earth was a size smaller

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than a ballpoint pen the point on a

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ballpoint pen yes very good memory and

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the nearest star the nearest star is in

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California right I'm at scale yes so

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that's that's a really good way to

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explain to anyone out there how far the

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nearest star is and Rhyno and as far as

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that goes what is that for about four

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light-years yes so I'm really glad you

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brought this up because it's something

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that we're actually after not working on

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it much for a while we're working very

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hard on right now so yes we've one of

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the big things that my career has been

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working on building these scale models

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of the solar system so we build it one

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to 10 billion scale and on that scale

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the Sun is about that big earth is

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smaller than the ball point in a pen the

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moon is that far to you know two and a

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half inches from Earth and the nearest

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star is the distance across the United

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States on the same scale but on that

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scale you can walk the solar system in a

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few minutes so we have the voyage scale

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model solar system the one you're

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mentioning is actually it's on the

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National Mall in Washington DC

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right outside the National Air and Space

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Museum we have a couple others in other

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cities and they were all actually based

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on the one we built first at the

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University of Colorado in Boulder and

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beforehand you were telling me that you

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actually lived around here yeah but we

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didn't have the model installed at that

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time but our Boulder model is now 32

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years old

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and we're getting ready to replace it

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with one of these voyage models and then

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we're hoping to replicate them all

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across the country because they are such

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a great learning to

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for so many things to get a sense of

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what the earth really looks like in

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space and so anyone can go to voyage

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solar system org and learned about how

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you can get your own voyage solar model

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voyage solar system in your community

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let me ask you how was how was that

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thing displayed because when you're

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picturing like something smaller than a

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ballpoint and a ballpoint pen how would

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you actually even position something

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like that yeah so they're they're

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attached to these structures that have

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you know some information and color

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pictures and information about each

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planet as you go along and then the

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planets themselves are in Laser crystals

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some of your viewers can see me right

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here oh yeah yeah on YouTube yeah tube

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so I'm holding here a laser crystal that

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has all of the planets in it to scale

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and the Sun is the big outline here you

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probably can't see it too well

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huh yeah but when you go right up to it

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you can see the planets really clearly

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so each planet has its own laser crystal

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on its own pedestal at the correct

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distance from the bottle Sun in this

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exhibit yeah great thank you for that so

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I want to talk a little bit about the

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possibility of life out there and first

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of all just thinking about this in

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general the first spark of life is such

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a mystery and how you know do you I know

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you as a scientist you probably don't

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like to speculate too much but I mean do

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you or do people theorize in the science

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world that it was just a happenstance

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that the first life happened everything

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just was exactly right at the right time

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and to make the first spark of life well

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that's a really big question in in terms

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of you know that's why I was studying

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the possible origin of life is such a

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big part of the search for life beyond

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Earth because if that's a key question

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and the question is basically you can

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take it down to the fact that at this

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point thanks to the discoveries of the

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Kepler mission and not

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lots of telescopes around the world we

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now know that planets are very common in

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the universe star almost all stars have

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planets we also know that planets the

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size of Earth in earth-like orbits are

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very common and so now we essentially

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know for sure that planets of the right

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size at the right distance from the

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earth are all over the place so the

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question is then would they as happen on

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earth also get life how likely is that

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and to answer that question you need to

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look into how you would expect chemistry

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to work and whether it would naturally

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point in a direction of life or whether

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it takes some really odd lucky event to

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make life happen and I would say the

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general belief of the vast majority of

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the scientists who study this including

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myself is that the chemistry favours

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life I think most of us would say if you

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have one of these planets right size

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right distance from the Sun and we know

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there's lots of them out there that they

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are most likely going to have life on

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them I mentioned I think it was two

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shows ago maybe the last show caller

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called in was talking about life out

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there and I said that life is really

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fights to be here on this planet you

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know when you think of where they have

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found life actually since the last time

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we spoke I believe you know in acidic

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places and you know then deep below the

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Arctic you know we're yeah a photon or

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two a light may come down that way at

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some point but I mean it's just amazing

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where life will just fight to be here

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yeah you know yes and I think that's

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another thing that makes most of us

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think that life is almost you know we

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can't until we discover it we can't say

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for sure but but I think most of us

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expect that life is very common in the

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universe because it's favored yeah you

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know no I've always you know I've

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wondered things like I wonder what the

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equivalent of

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someone's first car out there or

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someone's first kiss out there maybe to

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another being you know it is really

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pretty nice to speculate all that we're

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going to go into break and we'll be

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picking this up when we come back my

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guest is Jeff Bennett and we'll be right

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we're clear Martin three minutes just

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over three minutes in this break three

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minutes okay thank you

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all right Jeff so we're still we're

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still one well we'll bring up another

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topic while we're here and break for

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this three minutes and so I'm just gonna

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ask you about UFOs in Colorado you know

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anything about UFO sightings in in

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Colorado or have you ever looked into

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that topic at all

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no honestly I have not we were recently

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this summer we took a hiking trip down

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to the sand dunes and I saw there's some

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sort of a UFO place down there oh but oh

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yes Howard how you talk about the tower

519
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yeah yeah yeah yeah

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because I I know there's the I'm trying

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to remember exactly Chris O'Brien does a

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lot of work on it this sand guy can't

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Lois Lois Lois Valley and Lou Obispo

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thank you race yeah I mean there's a

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there's a that's a real hot spot you

526
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know as far as UFOs go and I know you

527
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,429
know UFOs isn't really your thing

528
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but you're not you're not close-minded

529
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to the topic no I had a great discussion

530
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recently with them James Fox who you

531
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probably yeah yeah no he turns out to be

532
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the brother of a good friend of ours and

533
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yeah yeah we had a lot of fun fun

534
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chatting and stuff yep yeah his by the

535
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way up since you mentioned him his film

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was just purchased by 10:21 I think

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that's the name of it it's gonna be

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released next June or July so excellent

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so that'll be that'll be great that's a

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rift in 1991 Martin Oh what did I say I

541
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did what anyone had 91 okay 91 orchard a

542
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trace why don't you just stay right here

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and help me through this I'm trying I'm

544
00:25:13,049 --> 00:25:10,629
trying I don't know yeah yeah thanks for

545
00:25:15,330 --> 00:25:13,059
that so anyway that will be coming out

546
00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:15,340
next year yeah James is James is a lot

547
00:25:22,670 --> 00:25:17,280
of fun he's really interesting

548
00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:22,680
and we shared a cab out in Phoenix a few

549
00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:25,110
months ago and had a really a lot of fun

550
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,750
conversations he's he's great yep I

551
00:25:30,610 --> 00:25:29,640
don't think anyone works as hard as him

552
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:30,620
either

553
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:32,970
not too many people putting together a

554
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:34,380
film like he does he does a really great

555
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:40,170
job yeah and so I know that for instance

556
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:43,890
in the whole Midwest there are a lot of

557
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:47,490
UFO sightings and but I don't for to go

558
00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:50,310
back are you ready now yes okay I'm

559
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:53,160
ready here too okay good good cuz we're

560
00:25:58,150 --> 00:25:55,590
ahead of schedule we're good all right

561
00:26:03,410 --> 00:25:58,160
that's good here we go in five four

562
00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:03,420
three two all right everyone welcome

563
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:05,460
back this is martin willis and my guest

564
00:26:11,050 --> 00:26:08,520
is jeff bennett and we were talking

565
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:11,060
before the break we were talking about

566
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:15,600
basically the solar system in the

567
00:26:24,410 --> 00:26:21,090
distance and between stars and and the

568
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:24,420
likeliness of life happening out there

569
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:29,130
and so I I think that is really

570
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:32,100
interesting the fact that you know I

571
00:26:38,270 --> 00:26:35,250
mean life most likely is happening out

572
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:38,280
there and intelligent life I think it

573
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:41,220
was a you're saying that when it comes

574
00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:44,970
to intelligent life out there that can

575
00:26:51,290 --> 00:26:48,150
you can you tell me how that went that

576
00:26:53,540 --> 00:26:51,300
if a society and get through the

577
00:26:57,140 --> 00:26:53,550
bottleneck of technology how did that go

578
00:26:59,720 --> 00:26:57,150
exactly well so that there's two parts

579
00:27:02,570 --> 00:26:59,730
to this the first is while I think it's

580
00:27:05,030 --> 00:27:02,580
very commonly thought that life would be

581
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:05,040
common among scientists the question of

582
00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:06,510
whether that life eventually becomes

583
00:27:10,940 --> 00:27:08,910
intelligent is more more difficult

584
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:10,950
because you know on earth it took four

585
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:12,290
and a half billion years before

586
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:16,020
intelligence finally evolved so that

587
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:17,520
might mean there's a lot less

588
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:19,950
intelligent life than just life playing

589
00:27:26,660 --> 00:27:22,110
but if you do get an intelligent

590
00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:26,670
civilization then the question is we're

591
00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:27,960
always going to get to the bottleneck

592
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:29,550
that we're at today because the

593
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:31,170
technology that we could use

594
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:33,270
to communicate or to travel into space

595
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:36,450
is the same technology technology that

596
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:38,700
we can use to destroy ourselves so the

597
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:41,460
question is do intelligent civilizations

598
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:44,460
make it past this bottleneck it's a

599
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:46,050
question we all want to know the answer

600
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:47,700
to because we're in the bottleneck now

601
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:51,240
right and my argument is that if we do

602
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:53,250
get past this point if we can survive

603
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:55,740
the next century and deal with problems

604
00:28:02,270 --> 00:27:59,100
like nuclear war and global warming and

605
00:28:05,270 --> 00:28:02,280
so on then at that point there's nothing

606
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:05,280
that would stop us from eventually

607
00:28:13,220 --> 00:28:08,940
moving out exploring space traveling to

608
00:28:15,410 --> 00:28:13,230
the stars yes and they're the

609
00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:15,420
bottlenecks you know you mentioned

610
00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:17,430
global warming I know that's some of

611
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:18,870
your study before we get into that

612
00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:24,240
though as far as the technology you know

613
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:27,150
we just talked about a star being as far

614
00:28:33,530 --> 00:28:30,210
from the east coast to California when

615
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,540
the Sun is the size of a grapefruit

616
00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:36,480
the distances and as far as the

617
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:39,060
technology that we have not discovered

618
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:42,570
yet that would actually make us able to

619
00:28:50,330 --> 00:28:49,170
travel that type of space okay I have a

620
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:50,340
point here I'm just trying to think

621
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,340
where I'm going with this do you think

622
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:55,200
that artificial intelligence is

623
00:29:01,640 --> 00:28:58,850
something that's going to be building

624
00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:01,650
something that will make this happen

625
00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:04,950
in other words you know that artificial

626
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:07,680
intelligence someday may get to the

627
00:29:13,790 --> 00:29:10,140
point where it can replicate itself and

628
00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:13,800
then there's the quantum computing that

629
00:29:18,170 --> 00:29:15,270
I'll be talking on the next guest about

630
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:18,180
and do you think that it's possible that

631
00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:20,460
that is what's gonna put us there

632
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:24,060
instead of the human mind well certainly

633
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:25,890
that's that's an interesting possibility

634
00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:28,440
and in fact going way back before people

635
00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:30,750
really even talk too much about this the

636
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:34,070
famous mathematician John von Neumann

637
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:37,410
back in like the 1920s or 30s I think

638
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:40,620
had proposed that it wouldn't be people

639
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:42,330
colonizing the Stars it would be

640
00:29:46,210 --> 00:29:44,580
machines cell-free self-replicating

641
00:29:49,690 --> 00:29:46,220
machine

642
00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:49,700
Wow and 1920s did you say I don't

643
00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:51,620
remember exactly when but it goes way

644
00:29:56,020 --> 00:29:53,870
way back I was talking about this this

645
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:56,030
idea and you know you'll find a lot of

646
00:30:00,820 --> 00:29:57,890
stuff written about long numinous

647
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,830
machines and whether they might be the

648
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,240
things that we should be looking for

649
00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:04,640
colonizing the galaxy and it's just

650
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:06,500
basically the idea that these voyages

651
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,650
even with you know technology far beyond

652
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:11,120
our own you're still talking about

653
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:13,490
distances that because you're limited to

654
00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:15,950
slower than the speed of light travel as

655
00:30:20,410 --> 00:30:18,230
far as we know they're very very long

656
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:20,420
voyages and people might not enjoy them

657
00:30:24,730 --> 00:30:22,490
that much but machines could handle them

658
00:30:27,010 --> 00:30:24,740
fine and they could get someplace and

659
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:27,020
then start building copies of themselves

660
00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:28,970
and then move on to the next place and

661
00:30:35,710 --> 00:30:33,470
so on I think that we talked before the

662
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:35,720
show I told you that I had Seth Shaw

663
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:38,450
stack on and I think that that is the

664
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:41,750
only type of situation that he may think

665
00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:45,530
is a possibility that you know machines

666
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:47,990
might be or could be traveling but not

667
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:49,970
not beings I think he mentioned

668
00:30:55,630 --> 00:30:52,730
something along those lines and I

669
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:55,640
understand that but also it is possible

670
00:30:59,920 --> 00:30:57,410
that there's something about the physics

671
00:31:01,720 --> 00:30:59,930
that we don't understand you mentioned

672
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:01,730
that as far as we know we're limited by

673
00:31:09,330 --> 00:31:04,090
light speed but maybe we're not you know

674
00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:09,340
there's a warp drive yeah yeah there are

675
00:31:14,380 --> 00:31:11,980
possibilities is really interesting to

676
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:14,390
you know contemplate that that whole

677
00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:16,550
thing right and

678
00:31:20,370 --> 00:31:18,380
okay another thing that's worth thinking

679
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,380
about here when you bring up the

680
00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:22,640
artificial intelligence it's also the

681
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:25,190
sort of virtual reality type of thing

682
00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:28,490
for example you could imagine in fact if

683
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:29,750
you saw there was a Steven Spielberg

684
00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:32,510
movie about a video game ready player

685
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:34,430
one you know where they had the whole

686
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:36,530
suit sink and go into a virtual world

687
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:39,770
where they not only saw like we do with

688
00:31:45,970 --> 00:31:43,570
the masks today but felt and so on and

689
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:45,980
so you can imagine that we send machines

690
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:49,010
out to other stars and other planets and

691
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:51,140
you don't even have to go but you can

692
00:31:58,270 --> 00:31:56,480
feel like you're there so that might be

693
00:31:58,780 --> 00:31:58,280
something that people would find more

694
00:32:00,970 --> 00:31:58,790
track

695
00:32:02,770 --> 00:32:00,980
getting in the spaceship themselves and

696
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,780
traveling as well so it's hard to say

697
00:32:08,830 --> 00:32:04,880
yeah where the technology will take us

698
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:08,840
yeah I know I would rather do that so

699
00:32:13,780 --> 00:32:11,840
dude do you think we're so you think

700
00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:13,790
we're kind of in a bottleneck right now

701
00:32:19,690 --> 00:32:16,760
as far as technology goes do you want to

702
00:32:21,850 --> 00:32:19,700
talk a little about that well yeah I

703
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:21,860
think by that bottleneck I mean

704
00:32:25,450 --> 00:32:23,390
basically that we've reached the point

705
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:25,460
where we have the technology to destroy

706
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:28,250
our civilization you know run us back

707
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:30,050
into the dark ages and there's multiple

708
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:32,600
ways that we could do that you know the

709
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:35,690
perhaps the simplest to understand and

710
00:32:39,850 --> 00:32:37,610
most obvious is blowing up lots of

711
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:39,860
nuclear bombs right that would send us

712
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:42,950
back into the dark ages for sure just

713
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:46,010
general hatred and tolerance civil wars

714
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:47,900
around the world that could do it too

715
00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:50,810
but as you mentioned my big focus has

716
00:32:56,260 --> 00:32:52,550
been on global warming because I think

717
00:32:58,690 --> 00:32:56,270
that's the one that's most likely to

718
00:33:01,540 --> 00:32:58,700
create that problem for us primarily

719
00:33:03,490 --> 00:33:01,550
because it's one that's easy to ignore

720
00:33:05,140 --> 00:33:03,500
because it's been creeping up on us and

721
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:05,150
you have people who try to pretend it's

722
00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:08,840
not real and so on and that makes it one

723
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,460
that we're having you know nuclear

724
00:33:14,350 --> 00:33:12,080
weapons it's easy for everybody to say

725
00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:14,360
oh yeah that would be bad and we still

726
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:17,480
have them but hopefully we're smart

727
00:33:21,820 --> 00:33:19,610
enough not to use them where's with

728
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:21,830
global warming it's harder for people to

729
00:33:27,910 --> 00:33:23,920
see and therefore more likely to bite us

730
00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:27,920
you know I've had this subject of global

731
00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:29,960
warming between a few different friends

732
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:35,720
and I get the comeback of oh well that's

733
00:33:42,490 --> 00:33:39,530
a liberal thing and and also there's

734
00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:42,500
people are making millions and billions

735
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:44,600
of dollars on and that's what it's all

736
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:46,790
about and so what's your what's your

737
00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:48,530
argument I'm sure people say something

738
00:33:53,710 --> 00:33:50,870
like that to you as well those are both

739
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:53,720
very easy to answer the first terms of

740
00:33:58,090 --> 00:33:55,970
the liberal thing is just look back in

741
00:34:00,250 --> 00:33:58,100
time and find out who was the first

742
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,260
major global leader to warn about the

743
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:02,480
significant danger of this problem and

744
00:34:07,270 --> 00:34:04,840
it was actually Margaret Thatcher in

745
00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:07,280
1989 giving a speech to the United

746
00:34:11,890 --> 00:34:09,830
Nations about this topic that link is

747
00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:11,900
posted on my website you can watch it at

748
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,380
global

749
00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:14,960
primer calm Margaret Thatcher was not a

750
00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:18,590
liberal and so it clearly was not a

751
00:34:23,410 --> 00:34:21,080
liberal issue and that's just a myth

752
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,420
that's been manufactured and the same

753
00:34:25,570 --> 00:34:25,280
for the people making lots of money you

754
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:25,580
know

755
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:27,560
there's there are researchers who get

756
00:34:31,660 --> 00:34:29,330
grant money but I tell you none of them

757
00:34:33,910 --> 00:34:31,670
are getting rich research salaries are

758
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:33,920
very low compared to what lots of people

759
00:34:38,740 --> 00:34:36,350
are earning in the private sector no

760
00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:38,750
one's getting rich off this topic in my

761
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:40,900
case I've never received a cent for it

762
00:34:46,450 --> 00:34:44,270
and and that's true of the vast majority

763
00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:46,460
of people who were focused on this and

764
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:49,250
speaking out on it on the other side the

765
00:34:53,050 --> 00:34:50,480
people who are spreading the

766
00:34:55,420 --> 00:34:53,060
misinformation about it often times are

767
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,430
coming from places where they're getting

768
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:57,200
paid quite a lot of money by by

769
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:58,970
companies that that have a vested

770
00:35:04,690 --> 00:35:01,280
interest there and can you do can you

771
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:04,700
give us an example of that the Heartland

772
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:06,470
Institute has been one of the major

773
00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:09,230
funders of disinformation on climate

774
00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:11,420
change I actually had the opportunity to

775
00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:14,390
debate someone funded by them who had

776
00:35:18,010 --> 00:35:16,220
they mail out these things to hundreds

777
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:18,020
of thousands of teachers saying how the

778
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:20,930
IPCC is all wrong and when I

779
00:35:25,330 --> 00:35:22,970
investigated it it in detail and I have

780
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,340
a whole post on the website medium that

781
00:35:30,490 --> 00:35:28,160
people can look at for this it turns out

782
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:30,500
that every study they cite they if you

783
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:32,510
actually talk to the scientists who did

784
00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:33,710
those studies they say they've been

785
00:35:38,890 --> 00:35:35,660
grossly misinterpreted by these folks

786
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:38,900
deliberately misinterpreted all right

787
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:42,050
so how I've been worried about climate

788
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:46,790
change for a while how and you know

789
00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:49,790
recently I think was last year there was

790
00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:52,550
a number like 12 you don't get our act

791
00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:54,230
together within 12 years or something

792
00:36:01,330 --> 00:35:57,500
like that we're basically screwed can

793
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:01,340
you let us know what you have found out

794
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:03,290
what will where are we what type of

795
00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:06,050
situation are we in right now well we

796
00:36:11,860 --> 00:36:08,230
are in an extremely dangerous situation

797
00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:11,870
the 12-year number is not a specific you

798
00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:14,630
know hit or miss thing the 12-year

799
00:36:20,050 --> 00:36:16,910
number is based on the models that's a

800
00:36:22,990 --> 00:36:20,060
certain level of warming that we could

801
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:23,000
stave off if we act by that point if we

802
00:36:25,870 --> 00:36:24,710
don't we're gonna have more warming than

803
00:36:27,729 --> 00:36:25,880
that

804
00:36:30,819 --> 00:36:27,739
in terms of at what point were you

805
00:36:32,949 --> 00:36:30,829
facing a really serious crisis to our

806
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:32,959
future to our kids and grandkids future

807
00:36:37,569 --> 00:36:35,630
my answer would be we're already there

808
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:37,579
that warming that we could stave off a

809
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:40,729
12 years to me is already gonna lead to

810
00:36:46,419 --> 00:36:43,369
very very serious consequences for our

811
00:36:48,699 --> 00:36:46,429
kids and grandkids so I think the sooner

812
00:36:51,189 --> 00:36:48,709
we do something the better and the

813
00:36:52,659 --> 00:36:51,199
longer the wait the more severe of

814
00:36:54,699 --> 00:36:52,669
consequences we'll have to deal with

815
00:36:57,069 --> 00:36:54,709
before we get the opportunity to

816
00:37:00,729 --> 00:36:57,079
hopefully turn it around and what we're

817
00:37:02,949 --> 00:37:00,739
turning it around involve and it seems

818
00:37:04,979 --> 00:37:02,959
like we're all gonna be sacrificing and

819
00:37:07,749 --> 00:37:04,989
that's what people do not want to do

820
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:07,759
correct you know I think that's false

821
00:37:12,099 --> 00:37:10,609
actually and that's one of the things I

822
00:37:13,659 --> 00:37:12,109
would like to really emphasize are you

823
00:37:17,979 --> 00:37:13,669
still hearing me because uplay is not

824
00:37:20,259 --> 00:37:17,989
okay yeah good you know what it involves

825
00:37:22,689 --> 00:37:20,269
is we have to not be using fossil fuels

826
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:22,699
for our energy anymore coal oil and gas

827
00:37:28,109 --> 00:37:24,890
which means we need to switch to other

828
00:37:30,819 --> 00:37:28,119
energy sources better efficiency

829
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:30,829
renewables nuclear power none of those

830
00:37:36,969 --> 00:37:34,880
give off any greenhouse gases and the

831
00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:36,979
fact is when you look at the subsidies

832
00:37:42,909 --> 00:37:41,150
that we give to fossil fuels which have

833
00:37:45,339 --> 00:37:42,919
been estimated by conservative

834
00:37:47,140 --> 00:37:45,349
economists from the IMF in the US and so

835
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:47,150
honored a trillion dollars per year in

836
00:37:52,089 --> 00:37:49,849
the United States we're actually

837
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:52,099
spending much more money for our fossil

838
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:54,380
fuel energy than we would be if we were

839
00:37:58,709 --> 00:37:56,569
using these other sources so it'd

840
00:38:02,559 --> 00:37:58,719
actually be a net benefit to the economy

841
00:38:05,319 --> 00:38:02,569
as opposed to a sacrifice if we were to

842
00:38:07,779 --> 00:38:05,329
switch over and one of the best examples

843
00:38:09,309 --> 00:38:07,789
of the analysis done by this is by a

844
00:38:12,099 --> 00:38:09,319
group I've mentioned to you beforehand I

845
00:38:13,659 --> 00:38:12,109
got to meet George Shultz a little over

846
00:38:15,849 --> 00:38:13,669
a week ago who was Ronald Reagan's

847
00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:15,859
Secretary of State and he's formed a

848
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:17,390
whole group of former Republican

849
00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:19,369
administration officials who've done

850
00:38:23,319 --> 00:38:21,380
this economic analysis and if you look

851
00:38:26,409 --> 00:38:23,329
at the cover of their report you'll see

852
00:38:28,329 --> 00:38:26,419
it says that this changeover not only

853
00:38:30,609 --> 00:38:28,339
solves the problem of global warming but

854
00:38:32,649 --> 00:38:30,619
it strengthens the economy reduces

855
00:38:36,009 --> 00:38:32,659
regulation benefits working-class

856
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:36,019
Americans and and so on that this is

857
00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:37,520
actually something that

858
00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:40,080
even if you don't believe it's real we

859
00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:42,630
still benefit from solving it but do you

860
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:44,820
think I know this is way off and I I

861
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:46,950
hope the listener will hang in there

862
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,390
because I know this is way off the topic

863
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:50,640
we usually talk about but I really think

864
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:54,300
it's important to talk about and do you

865
00:39:01,460 --> 00:38:56,490
think that there has to be like a

866
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:01,470
complete breakdown of the system you

867
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:04,260
know I mean for like the oil companies

868
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,300
and everyone involved in fossil fuels

869
00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:07,920
they're not going to give up easy

870
00:39:13,460 --> 00:39:11,640
they're not gonna go away easy you know

871
00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:13,470
actually the vast majority of fossil

872
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:15,750
fuel companies already understand this

873
00:39:19,580 --> 00:39:18,180
problem and know it needs a solution and

874
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:19,590
they're actually advocating for

875
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:22,170
solutions because they need the business

876
00:39:26,330 --> 00:39:24,510
incentives that will allow them to make

877
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:26,340
the change in their business structure

878
00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:29,190
away from those fuels toward other ones

879
00:39:33,380 --> 00:39:31,020
I mean the same companies that are doing

880
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:33,390
fossil fuels now are in the best

881
00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:35,609
position to do renewables nuclear and so

882
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:38,550
on so they want to make that change most

883
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:41,880
of them not all of them and so they're

884
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:43,950
advocating for the same carbon tax that

885
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:46,440
George Shultz's group is advocating for

886
00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:48,570
the citizens climate Lobby because that

887
00:39:55,099 --> 00:39:51,750
provides the the market incentive to

888
00:39:56,359 --> 00:39:55,109
help them make that transition and I'll

889
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:56,369
just point out for anybody who's got

890
00:40:02,270 --> 00:39:58,530
more questions on this my a whole book

891
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:02,280
and show is posted for free online at

892
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:04,680
global warming primer calm and it's in

893
00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:06,690
question and answer format and I'll

894
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,580
probably answer any question anyone has

895
00:40:14,089 --> 00:40:10,560
on it and just to tie it back to our

896
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:14,099
ufo's discussion if there are people

897
00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:17,250
visiting us in ufos they went through a

898
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:19,830
time in their civilization when they

899
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:22,650
would have faced the same type of threat

900
00:40:26,780 --> 00:40:24,570
maybe not in the exact same form but

901
00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:26,790
fossil fuels probably exist on any

902
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:28,950
planet that gets a civilization and

903
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,859
they're easy to tap into so they would

904
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:33,839
have presumably had to have solved this

905
00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:36,660
problem just as we're faced with solving

906
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:39,030
it now so it'd be really nice to talk to

907
00:40:43,339 --> 00:40:41,089
them and find out how they did it Wow

908
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:43,349
something I certainly have never thought

909
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:45,630
of that's really interesting oh I'm not

910
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:47,849
an advocate of nuclear power myself and

911
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:50,910
that is you know for the number

912
00:40:57,230 --> 00:40:54,450
one thing for me as though not just the

913
00:41:00,200 --> 00:40:57,240
danger of it but the waste we put on our

914
00:41:02,779 --> 00:41:00,210
future of you 5000 generations of our

915
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:02,789
future to take care of you know and I

916
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,010
don't think there's any real good answer

917
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:06,720
for the waste when it comes to that well

918
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:09,119
that's true but but I can tell you for

919
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:12,660
example if you want to know where most

920
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:15,420
nuclear waste is being generated right

921
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:18,450
now it's actually from coal plants coal

922
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:20,250
plants are spewing something like a

923
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,530
hundred times as much uranium into the

924
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:24,480
atmosphere because there is uranium in

925
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:26,760
coal then is produced by nuclear power

926
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:29,490
plants and at with a nuclear power plant

927
00:41:33,049 --> 00:41:31,740
you take that waste and you store it in

928
00:41:35,539 --> 00:41:33,059
one place where you can in principle

929
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,549
keep an eye on it with the coal plants

930
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:36,960
it's just being spewed out into the

931
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:39,690
atmosphere or it's affecting all of us

932
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:42,420
so there's actually a greater total

933
00:41:47,410 --> 00:41:44,220
radiation danger from our current

934
00:41:50,660 --> 00:41:47,420
sources than wow I got in an argument in

935
00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:50,670
Los Alamos at my sister's house and

936
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:52,950
brother-in-law's house many years ago

937
00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:54,690
with the scientists out there that was

938
00:42:04,849 --> 00:41:56,700
saying the same thing and I was calling

939
00:42:06,740 --> 00:42:04,859
MDS he has to it after all nope and I'm

940
00:42:08,059 --> 00:42:06,750
not necessarily advocating for nuclear

941
00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:08,069
I'm just saying it's a potential

942
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:09,630
solution to this problem that we should

943
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:12,390
consider but I think no energy source

944
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:15,180
will ever be completely benign and so

945
00:42:20,269 --> 00:42:17,490
you have to look at trade-offs and in my

946
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:20,279
opinion that one's a lot safer than the

947
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:22,529
ones we're currently using renewables

948
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,930
might be even better or might not be

949
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:27,240
depending on various things like what

950
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:30,450
goes into the mining and so on as far as

951
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:33,000
the renewables what is what do you think

952
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:36,410
is is it Germany what what country is

953
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,140
relying mostly on on you know solar and

954
00:42:45,019 --> 00:42:42,240
wind and there's one country that almost

955
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:45,029
switched right over right well nobody's

956
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,890
been able to make a super-fast

957
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:48,480
transition there's been a lot of people

958
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:50,760
talking about doing it you know the real

959
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:53,220
limiting factor at the moment for solar

960
00:42:58,519 --> 00:42:56,730
and wind is storage right batteries or

961
00:43:00,109 --> 00:42:58,529
some other form of storage for when the

962
00:43:02,779 --> 00:43:00,119
winds not blowing and when it's

963
00:43:04,819 --> 00:43:02,789
nighttime or cloudy and that problem has

964
00:43:05,989 --> 00:43:04,829
not been fully solved

965
00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:05,999
which is part of why I think we

966
00:43:10,219 --> 00:43:08,339
shouldn't rule out nuclear before we

967
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:10,229
solve that problem but if we do then

968
00:43:14,269 --> 00:43:12,839
that might be another way to go um you

969
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:14,279
know we have we have about ten minutes

970
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:17,729
left i I can I can take a call if

971
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:19,170
someone would like to call in would you

972
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:21,089
like to take up would you like to take a

973
00:43:24,469 --> 00:43:21,890
call

974
00:43:28,219 --> 00:43:24,479
sure all right so I'm gonna put that

975
00:43:30,229 --> 00:43:28,229
number up on the screen and that's goin

976
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:30,239
over there right now and that number is

977
00:43:36,019 --> 00:43:33,450
eight five five four seven two five four

978
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:36,029
eight three so we only got about ten

979
00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:37,200
minutes if let someone would like to

980
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:41,190
call in and ask a question you know and

981
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,900
while we're waiting I thought I might

982
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:44,640
mention cuz you asked me before about

983
00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:46,950
the you know what if we do get through

984
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,660
this bottleneck and I think it's worth a

985
00:43:52,249 --> 00:43:50,160
moment on that because it's something

986
00:43:54,589 --> 00:43:52,259
that ties in with global warming when

987
00:43:56,959 --> 00:43:54,599
I'm talking to kids also about what does

988
00:43:59,059 --> 00:43:56,969
their future look like and yet remember

989
00:44:00,380 --> 00:43:59,069
like you know I met George Shultz I said

990
00:44:03,739 --> 00:44:00,390
he's 99 years old

991
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:03,749
today's kids won't be 99 until well

992
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,049
after the year 2100 so ask yourself when

993
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:09,599
we survive this century what kind of

994
00:44:14,779 --> 00:44:12,180
technology will we have in the year 2100

995
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:14,789
and you start to realize we should by

996
00:44:20,539 --> 00:44:17,249
then have things like nuclear fusion or

997
00:44:22,539 --> 00:44:20,549
solar energy from space and other things

998
00:44:26,689 --> 00:44:22,549
that would essentially give us free

999
00:44:27,949 --> 00:44:26,699
clean unlimited energy so when you talk

1000
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:27,959
about wanting to start sending

1001
00:44:34,219 --> 00:44:30,390
spaceships off around the solar system

1002
00:44:37,579 --> 00:44:34,229
or eradicating poverty throughout the

1003
00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:37,589
world those all should be possible by

1004
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:41,190
that time if we deal with our immediate

1005
00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:44,209
problems yeah it is immediate we have

1006
00:44:48,259 --> 00:44:46,920
vents on the line from Ohio Vince

1007
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:48,269
welcome to the show you have a quest

1008
00:44:57,339 --> 00:44:53,849
question for Jeff Martin hi yes you know

1009
00:45:00,319 --> 00:44:57,349
I I hate that to hear that we you know

1010
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:00,329
scientists think that we are limited by

1011
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:03,930
our current physics knowledge and that I

1012
00:45:10,370 --> 00:45:07,920
was wondering if you guys thought that

1013
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:10,380
if we spent all the time and the money

1014
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:15,089
the energy towards looking at the nuts

1015
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,630
and bolts UFO technology

1016
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:21,359
we have more answers than what we put

1017
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:23,400
into trying to find a signal I know one

1018
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:25,170
day I was listening to you and you

1019
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:27,569
almost had Seth in a corner and he

1020
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,940
didn't let you actually do it and I just

1021
00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:31,680
wondered if there would be more

1022
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:33,750
information about disclosure if there

1023
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,329
was more energy put towards it

1024
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,920
I'll take my answer out here thank you

1025
00:45:44,839 --> 00:45:39,839
all right Vince thanks for the call

1026
00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:44,849
thanks you want to tackle that yeah sure

1027
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:48,599
you know I mean I think the difficulty

1028
00:45:53,529 --> 00:45:51,630
with the the question for me is that we

1029
00:45:55,579 --> 00:45:53,539
have to have something to study

1030
00:45:57,499 --> 00:45:55,589
eyewitness reports are not something

1031
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:57,509
that you can really study you would have

1032
00:46:03,920 --> 00:45:59,880
to have something in your hands to study

1033
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:03,930
and I think if anyone had that and

1034
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:05,369
actually could show that they had

1035
00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:06,900
something real in their hands I think

1036
00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:09,000
lots of people would be putting lots of

1037
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:13,230
effort into studying it but so far you

1038
00:46:18,529 --> 00:46:16,140
know to my understanding of scientists

1039
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:18,539
who've looked at these claimed artifacts

1040
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:21,690
and things carefully no one takes them

1041
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,609
seriously yet so it's not a matter of

1042
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:25,200
that we're not putting the effort into

1043
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:26,430
studying it it's that we don't think

1044
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:28,470
there's actually something there to

1045
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:31,170
study but we would love it if there was

1046
00:46:36,289 --> 00:46:34,529
right that's the one thing that has we

1047
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:36,299
have one more call I'm gonna take that

1048
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:37,890
in just a second that's one of the

1049
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:39,900
things that have has puzzled me about to

1050
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:41,609
the Stars Academy I don't know if you

1051
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:43,650
have even looked at that at all I

1052
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,140
haven't so one of the things is they

1053
00:46:52,789 --> 00:46:48,900
were stating that they wanted to

1054
00:46:56,749 --> 00:46:52,799
replicate the technology by observing

1055
00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:56,759
and you know I just haven't been getting

1056
00:47:01,220 --> 00:46:58,859
that one understanding that one and just

1057
00:47:04,339 --> 00:47:01,230
to your point that you just made we have

1058
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:04,349
Jim calling from British Columbia

1059
00:47:17,539 --> 00:47:16,039
yeah he's right here hi yeah I'm an

1060
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:17,549
engineer metallurgist

1061
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:20,970
I did work on nuclear generator clear

1062
00:47:26,859 --> 00:47:25,049
power and I learned a lot about it it

1063
00:47:29,319 --> 00:47:26,869
wasn't my main job I worked for a

1064
00:47:34,769 --> 00:47:29,329
consulting firm and and some

1065
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:37,660
I've given lectures on the difference

1066
00:47:41,799 --> 00:47:39,529
between the engineering method in the

1067
00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:41,809
scientific method and I find a lot of

1068
00:47:46,779 --> 00:47:43,670
scientists even nuclear scientists own

1069
00:47:48,959 --> 00:47:46,789
do not understand what's wrong with

1070
00:47:52,329 --> 00:47:48,969
nuclear power the problem is the risk

1071
00:47:54,819 --> 00:47:52,339
calculations actually you can't do the

1072
00:48:01,569 --> 00:47:54,829
risk calculations on nuclear and this is

1073
00:48:04,959 --> 00:48:01,579
why this is why nuclear power cannot get

1074
00:48:07,539 --> 00:48:04,969
insurance they cannot get insurance from

1075
00:48:08,829 --> 00:48:07,549
the private sector so all governments in

1076
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:08,839
the world where they have nuclear power

1077
00:48:15,099 --> 00:48:11,690
the government's insure the nuclear

1078
00:48:17,650 --> 00:48:15,109
power liability insurance right and this

1079
00:48:19,959 --> 00:48:17,660
is because you can't do the risk

1080
00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:19,969
calculations and and the nuclear in this

1081
00:48:25,029 --> 00:48:23,180
re the insurance industry likes to do

1082
00:48:27,549 --> 00:48:25,039
their their risk calculations or else

1083
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:27,559
they'd go broke and they do them

1084
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:30,529
properly but but you can't do them on

1085
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:33,049
nuclear you can't do it now just take a

1086
00:48:38,259 --> 00:48:35,660
look at Fukushima it's costing more and

1087
00:48:41,949 --> 00:48:38,269
more all the time it's not the the cost

1088
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:41,959
of the Fukushima disaster is going up

1089
00:48:48,489 --> 00:48:45,529
over time not down same thing with the

1090
00:48:52,329 --> 00:48:48,499
one in the Ukraine same deal the cost

1091
00:48:54,299 --> 00:48:52,339
goes up over time you know it just yeah

1092
00:48:57,189 --> 00:48:54,309
I know we're very moving on time so I'll

1093
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,199
answer your question for now yeah we're

1094
00:49:02,620 --> 00:49:00,559
limited on time Jim so yeah so so you

1095
00:49:04,329 --> 00:49:02,630
know III again I'm not a nuclear expert

1096
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,339
and I'm not saying we should do it I'm

1097
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:05,839
saying we shouldn't take it off the

1098
00:49:10,059 --> 00:49:08,390
table as an option until we really look

1099
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:10,069
into it and I think the key point here

1100
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:13,609
again is the trade-offs and we also

1101
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:15,890
can't do the risk calculations for

1102
00:49:20,620 --> 00:49:18,650
really almost any source very well but

1103
00:49:23,699 --> 00:49:20,630
you can look at the historical data and

1104
00:49:26,410 --> 00:49:23,709
we know for example that the fossil fuel

1105
00:49:28,749 --> 00:49:26,420
industry does cause air and water

1106
00:49:31,209 --> 00:49:28,759
pollution that we know about and that's

1107
00:49:34,109 --> 00:49:31,219
killing leading to an estimated

1108
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:34,119
premature 10 million deaths per year

1109
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:36,559
whereas in the entire history of the

1110
00:49:41,410 --> 00:49:38,930
nuclear industry there have been the

1111
00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:41,420
deaths from Chernobyl but none others

1112
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:42,470
and

1113
00:49:46,839 --> 00:49:44,270
so you trade off ten million deaths per

1114
00:49:49,330 --> 00:49:46,849
year going on year after year after year

1115
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:49,340
versus the historical record nuclear

1116
00:49:52,839 --> 00:49:51,140
safety record actually looks a lot

1117
00:49:55,089 --> 00:49:52,849
better than the safety record or fossil

1118
00:49:58,030 --> 00:49:55,099
fuels but again we do have to look going

1119
00:50:00,940 --> 00:49:58,040
forward and make the dude do the best we

1120
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:00,950
can to look at it look at the economics

1121
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:03,590
of it and then I would like to see a

1122
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,530
carbon tax so that we're factoring in

1123
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,200
the true costs of the fossil fuels and

1124
00:50:12,490 --> 00:50:11,119
then let the market figure it out if

1125
00:50:14,020 --> 00:50:12,500
somebody figures out how to do nuclear

1126
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,030
and can prove that it's safe and

1127
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:15,920
economical they'll do it if they don't

1128
00:50:19,089 --> 00:50:17,570
then we'll be getting our energy in

1129
00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:19,099
other ways from renewables or other

1130
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:22,790
things a quick comment Jim because we

1131
00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:25,609
only have about two minutes left okay

1132
00:50:34,089 --> 00:50:30,220
okay Jeff you are way off way off

1133
00:50:36,010 --> 00:50:34,099
sorry I don't think so and you can go to

1134
00:50:39,070 --> 00:50:36,020
my website and you can see my actual

1135
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:39,080
data there and I know I I have research

1136
00:50:44,859 --> 00:50:41,930
papers my friend I have research papers

1137
00:50:47,950 --> 00:50:44,869
I don't read websites and environmental

1138
00:50:52,900 --> 00:50:47,960
stuff I I read okay just make your make

1139
00:50:56,859 --> 00:50:52,910
your point if you have them my point yes

1140
00:50:59,710 --> 00:50:56,869
nuclear cost too much it's the risk is

1141
00:51:01,300 --> 00:50:59,720
too high and now you see you mentioned

1142
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:01,310
Jeff you mentioned something about risk

1143
00:51:04,750 --> 00:51:03,170
calculations look at the aeronautical

1144
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:04,760
engineering look at the problems getting

1145
00:51:08,650 --> 00:51:06,650
an airplane across Pacific Ocean and the

1146
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:08,660
risk calculations that are not the risk

1147
00:51:13,329 --> 00:51:11,690
is down to ten to the negative seven ten

1148
00:51:15,370 --> 00:51:13,339
to the negative seven that's the risk

1149
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:15,380
for nuclear will never be that low but

1150
00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:17,089
the question is what what is the risk

1151
00:51:21,790 --> 00:51:19,160
what are the consequences can you make

1152
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:21,800
it so that it's much safer than it is

1153
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,050
with today's power plants I believe the

1154
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:26,240
answers to those questions are probably

1155
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:28,010
yes I'm not a hundred percent oh you

1156
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:32,000
can't that's my job exactly by job I

1157
00:51:37,570 --> 00:51:35,630
know I've talked to lots of people who

1158
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:37,580
do this as their jobs and have done

1159
00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:39,290
nuclear and do research at some of the

1160
00:51:43,210 --> 00:51:41,150
biggest nuclear facilities of the in the

1161
00:51:45,609 --> 00:51:43,220
world and they would disagree with you

1162
00:51:47,349 --> 00:51:45,619
so you can I would suggest to the

1163
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,359
listeners that they go take a look at

1164
00:51:52,990 --> 00:51:49,520
the actual research that's out there and

1165
00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:53,000
draw conclusions it's corrupt the

1166
00:51:56,380 --> 00:51:55,160
engineering is corrupt well so you are

1167
00:51:58,089 --> 00:51:56,390
now in a conspiracy

1168
00:52:00,789 --> 00:51:58,099
theory mode accusing the people I've

1169
00:52:03,130 --> 00:52:00,799
debated in tire engineers multiple times

1170
00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:03,140
my friend on this I have the research

1171
00:52:08,259 --> 00:52:07,000
papers all right I have okay Jim thank

1172
00:52:12,579 --> 00:52:08,269
thank you

1173
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:12,589
yep so we have just one minute left and

1174
00:52:17,289 --> 00:52:14,210
one of the questions I wanted to ask you

1175
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:17,299
as far as I mentioned to earlier on I

1176
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:19,940
said something along the line as we are

1177
00:52:27,579 --> 00:52:22,970
in a mass extinction event right now

1178
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,589
because of the rate is so high for

1179
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:29,359
extinction and once something's gone

1180
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:32,210
it's gone do you think that's also

1181
00:52:36,509 --> 00:52:36,170
global warming has a part in that as

1182
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:36,519
well

1183
00:52:43,569 --> 00:52:40,640
um so far global warming has played a

1184
00:52:45,220 --> 00:52:43,579
relatively minor role in extinctions but

1185
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:45,230
it could you know most of the

1186
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:46,609
extinctions have been due to habitat

1187
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,130
destruction so far the burning of the

1188
00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:51,200
rainforests and things like that but

1189
00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:54,260
going forward global warming one of the

1190
00:52:58,779 --> 00:52:56,329
great fears with it is that it could

1191
00:53:02,019 --> 00:52:58,789
lead to much more extinction because if

1192
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:02,029
climates migrate faster than trees can

1193
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:03,730
migrate then you start to lose

1194
00:53:08,799 --> 00:53:06,410
ecosystems and then you lose the animals

1195
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:08,809
that depend on them also so that's

1196
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:10,430
actually one of the great fears with it

1197
00:53:14,289 --> 00:53:11,950
is that it will lead to further

1198
00:53:15,730 --> 00:53:14,299
furthering of this extinction event

1199
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:15,740
that's going on well

1200
00:53:19,749 --> 00:53:18,170
alright Jeff well that's it for this

1201
00:53:21,609 --> 00:53:19,759
part of the show thank you so much it's

1202
00:53:22,210 --> 00:53:21,619
been a real pleasure always fun to talk

1203
00:53:24,249 --> 00:53:22,220
to you Jeff

1204
00:53:25,779 --> 00:53:24,259
thank you very much I really appreciate

1205
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,789
it all right take care

1206
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:28,400
you too alright everyone we're gonna be

1207
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:29,599
going into a break and we'll be right

1208
00:53:35,890 --> 00:53:32,410
back right after these messages

1209
00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:35,900
all right welcome back and this is a

1210
00:53:42,279 --> 00:53:39,140
second hour of the show and my guest

1211
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:42,289
this hour is Dee Prasad and welcome to

1212
00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:46,880
the show deep thank you and we're we're

1213
00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:48,470
talking to you in Canada right Toronto

1214
00:53:52,359 --> 00:53:50,750
yes sir exactly

1215
00:53:56,220 --> 00:53:52,369
did I read something that you were

1216
00:53:58,509 --> 00:53:56,230
considering one time in the top 20 of

1217
00:54:01,089 --> 00:53:58,519
people under 20 or something like that

1218
00:54:01,450 --> 00:54:01,099
and Toronto where yeah that's right you

1219
00:54:06,579 --> 00:54:01,460
got it

1220
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:06,589
you got that exactly right I believe it

1221
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,490
was 2014

1222
00:54:14,029 --> 00:54:09,839
so yeah

1223
00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:14,039
I was 18 years old when I got it all

1224
00:54:19,939 --> 00:54:17,670
right and you've done a lot of work some

1225
00:54:22,249 --> 00:54:19,949
have said you're a prodigy but why don't

1226
00:54:24,499 --> 00:54:22,259
you give your basic background if you

1227
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:24,509
would to the listener who's who doesn't

1228
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:27,150
know anything about you basically okay

1229
00:54:32,929 --> 00:54:29,849
sure so I've always been a fan attic of

1230
00:54:35,989 --> 00:54:32,939
science from I don't know since

1231
00:54:38,299 --> 00:54:35,999
childhood and that expressed itself in

1232
00:54:40,819 --> 00:54:38,309
different ways in high school that

1233
00:54:43,189 --> 00:54:40,829
express itself through competitions and

1234
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:43,199
science fair and then in university I

1235
00:54:47,749 --> 00:54:45,930
was kind of all over the place where I

1236
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:47,759
switched from Electrical Engineering to

1237
00:54:52,819 --> 00:54:49,890
industrial engineering and moved from

1238
00:54:55,729 --> 00:54:52,829
hardware to learning about computational

1239
00:54:57,259 --> 00:54:55,739
math and kind of just applying that to

1240
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:57,269
day to day life and I found that

1241
00:55:02,929 --> 00:55:00,660
intriguing and so I really developed a

1242
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:02,939
strong AI and slash blockchain

1243
00:55:07,249 --> 00:55:04,890
background so for example I took the

1244
00:55:09,439 --> 00:55:07,259
first official blockchain like

1245
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:09,449
University credit blockchain course in

1246
00:55:14,839 --> 00:55:12,119
Canada I'm on watch a and window sandy

1247
00:55:17,269 --> 00:55:14,849
what pardon me what is that exactly so

1248
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:17,279
it's a very broad umbrella term at this

1249
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:21,660
point but think about it as I would say

1250
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:24,209
a transition or an evolution of the

1251
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:28,410
Internet so in some extent you know how

1252
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,119
the internet kind of digitized our

1253
00:55:34,370 --> 00:55:31,920
interactions with people and how we

1254
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:34,380
store information blockchain takes that

1255
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:37,650
and in a and you know apply steroids to

1256
00:55:45,499 --> 00:55:42,420
it yeah we can go deeper into it I'd be

1257
00:55:49,729 --> 00:55:45,509
happy to yeah yeah and you've also

1258
00:55:54,289 --> 00:55:49,739
gotten into quantum computing which is

1259
00:55:57,309 --> 00:55:54,299
essa' which is a really deep and I think

1260
00:56:00,769 --> 00:55:57,319
there's a I'm not sure exactly how many

1261
00:56:02,209 --> 00:56:00,779
supercomputers are are right now is how

1262
00:56:05,179 --> 00:56:02,219
many are I know they're building them

1263
00:56:07,419 --> 00:56:05,189
all the time and they're like three

1264
00:56:10,489 --> 00:56:07,429
major supercomputers something like that

1265
00:56:12,739 --> 00:56:10,499
yeah yeah there's lots of exactly

1266
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:12,749
there's a loss of rankings of different

1267
00:56:17,269 --> 00:56:14,130
supercomputers and there's also

1268
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:17,279
different metrics usually we're

1269
00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:19,410
interested in number of flops but

1270
00:56:23,330 --> 00:56:21,869
there's other ways of measuring how good

1271
00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:23,340
a computer is

1272
00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:25,950
how good a supercomputer is with that

1273
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:28,440
said though there's probably I would say

1274
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:30,180
thousands of what we would define suit

1275
00:56:33,980 --> 00:56:32,370
as supercomputers different groups

1276
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,990
around the world kind of competing

1277
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:36,240
whether they're big private

1278
00:56:40,220 --> 00:56:38,130
organizations like the IBM's of the

1279
00:56:44,570 --> 00:56:40,230
world or straight-up countries right

1280
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:44,580
like the US or Canada Canada has I

1281
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:48,300
believe shark net and some other yeah

1282
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:52,490
like Canadian central supercomputers so

1283
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:56,130
that being said there's a smaller number

1284
00:57:02,540 --> 00:56:59,640
of quantum computers I would say that

1285
00:57:04,610 --> 00:57:02,550
there's probably easily less than a

1286
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,620
thousand maybe a couple hundred

1287
00:57:09,010 --> 00:57:07,200
depending on how lenient you are with

1288
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:09,020
calling something a quantum computer

1289
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:12,390
well what I meant when I said the three

1290
00:57:18,140 --> 00:57:16,110
I I think there's the top three right

1291
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:18,150
isn't there like the top three that are

1292
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:20,490
competing against each other as far as

1293
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:22,770
being the top and you're talking about

1294
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:27,570
the flops or whatever it is but these

1295
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:30,030
things can calculate something like

1296
00:57:34,460 --> 00:57:31,910
close to a trillion

1297
00:57:36,590 --> 00:57:34,470
can you kind of leave it Salinas fall

1298
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:36,600
they can probably calculate more

1299
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:39,450
operations than that if you just looked

1300
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:40,770
up you know the most powerful

1301
00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:43,020
supercomputers it's always changing I

1302
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:45,390
believe if you can

1303
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:47,310
yeah verify this I think it China

1304
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:49,950
currently holds the lead for what that

1305
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:51,960
for what it's worth I'm fairly certain

1306
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:55,050
about that so yeah and and what type of

1307
00:58:01,940 --> 00:57:59,460
calculations per second so so so these

1308
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:01,950
are basic operations we're talking like

1309
00:58:08,090 --> 00:58:06,660
addition subtraction division yeah which

1310
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:08,100
is why so that there's different kinds

1311
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:10,410
of metrics for calculating these

1312
00:58:16,910 --> 00:58:14,190
operations and how well computer

1313
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,920
performs for example you have the

1314
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:18,960
complexity class right so you have

1315
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:21,810
different ways of measuring how complex

1316
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,480
the problem is how hard it is to come to

1317
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,160
a solution and how hard it is to check

1318
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:29,760
the solution so that's another way of

1319
00:58:35,660 --> 00:58:32,640
kind of measuring how good a computer

1320
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:35,670
can perform yes it's a big task and do

1321
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:37,170
they they're not

1322
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:39,180
actually using binary or are they using

1323
00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:41,910
binary yeah these are all binary the

1324
00:58:47,779 --> 00:58:43,230
ones that I'm talking about like China

1325
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:47,789
and everything it's all binary the the

1326
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:50,690
here's a funny part the metrics for

1327
00:58:56,180 --> 00:58:53,490
comparing two quantum computers isn't as

1328
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:56,190
well defined there's not necessarily in

1329
00:59:00,289 --> 00:58:58,260
the obvious way of comparing the like

1330
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:00,299
different quantum computers with

1331
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:02,329
classical computers and with each other

1332
00:59:08,359 --> 00:59:04,890
that being said though there are some

1333
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:08,369
there minima and some you know some

1334
00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:09,599
results that we've all agreed on for

1335
00:59:14,329 --> 00:59:11,940
example Google's quantum supremacy

1336
00:59:17,539 --> 00:59:14,339
results you might have heard about that

1337
00:59:19,819 --> 00:59:17,549
in the news mm-hmm that's something that

1338
00:59:22,809 --> 00:59:19,829
there's decent consensus on was that it

1339
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:22,819
is impressive it is indeed the real deal

1340
00:59:30,589 --> 00:59:26,460
Wow and so you're you're someone that's

1341
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:30,599
actually considered the UFO topic as

1342
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:33,359
well I've I've seen a couple things out

1343
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:34,890
there and and so what are your thoughts

1344
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:38,640
on that that in general yeah I believe

1345
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:41,910
that they represent the greatest mystery

1346
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:44,490
of our time and I think that is

1347
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:46,710
pertinent that we figure out everything

1348
00:59:51,499 --> 00:59:49,529
we can about this topic knowing I this

1349
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:51,509
is just my opinion knowing that we'll

1350
00:59:56,170 --> 00:59:53,609
never figure everything out about it

1351
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:56,180
just like with anything else the science

1352
01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:00,480
yeah yeah certainly one of the one of

1353
01:00:07,099 --> 01:00:04,920
the the hang-ups of any science really

1354
01:00:10,339 --> 01:00:07,109
looking at it is that it's not something

1355
01:00:14,089 --> 01:00:10,349
that's that you can replicate it's it's

1356
01:00:16,190 --> 01:00:14,099
it's random it's a it's not something

1357
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:16,200
that can be studied easily in any type

1358
01:00:23,690 --> 01:00:18,569
of way there are some people attempting

1359
01:00:27,049 --> 01:00:23,700
to do that in different ways but what do

1360
01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:27,059
you think also I saw that you have an

1361
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:30,390
interest in metamaterials have you have

1362
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:33,450
you looked into what people are stating

1363
01:00:39,289 --> 01:00:35,880
out there what they have found in

1364
01:00:41,539 --> 01:00:39,299
crashes and things like that yes yeah a

1365
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:41,549
great deal of research at this point

1366
01:00:48,380 --> 01:00:44,910
into different claims by different

1367
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:48,390
parties and yeah what would you like to

1368
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:49,740
know what specific is there anything

1369
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:50,940
have you

1370
01:00:59,329 --> 01:00:55,859
look at any of the materials that people

1371
01:01:03,800 --> 01:00:59,339
are claiming that yes oh really okay and

1372
01:01:06,490 --> 01:01:03,810
so how would you analyze something like

1373
01:01:09,020 --> 01:01:06,500
that what type of oven does it take

1374
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:09,030
that's a great question

1375
01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:11,910
there's a wide variety of different

1376
01:01:17,780 --> 01:01:15,180
instruments and you really have to what

1377
01:01:20,420 --> 01:01:17,790
really what I found helps is knowing

1378
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:20,430
what kind of questions your you need to

1379
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:22,050
ask and what kind of things you're

1380
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:24,450
looking at cord specifically so let's

1381
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:26,040
say that somebody gives you a chunk of

1382
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:28,920
metal and it looks engineered as an

1383
01:01:34,099 --> 01:01:31,680
example what do you do with it the first

1384
01:01:35,809 --> 01:01:34,109
steps is art is to figure out are there

1385
01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:35,819
anything you know interesting about the

1386
01:01:40,579 --> 01:01:38,819
isotopes or the isotopic ratios so you

1387
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:40,589
would go to different labs then you

1388
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:42,569
would get the specifics can be done and

1389
01:01:47,260 --> 01:01:44,460
there's a bunch of different instruments

1390
01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:47,270
different methods that will give you

1391
01:01:52,579 --> 01:01:49,710
ideally similar results or similar

1392
01:01:54,849 --> 01:01:52,589
enough we're gonna varying error within

1393
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:54,859
a yeah acceptable margin of error so

1394
01:02:00,589 --> 01:01:58,319
that being said let's say that some of

1395
01:02:03,050 --> 01:02:00,599
these results do end up being anomalous

1396
01:02:04,550 --> 01:02:03,060
and the isotopes are weird the next

1397
01:02:06,740 --> 01:02:04,560
thing that you want to do is determine

1398
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:06,750
whether you have a veto right or a

1399
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:09,210
actual artifact in your hand right it's

1400
01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:10,650
something that might be manufactured

1401
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:13,140
potentially off planet and that makes a

1402
01:02:17,420 --> 01:02:15,510
world of a difference and but that is

1403
01:02:19,609 --> 01:02:17,430
like the the Devils in the details

1404
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:19,619
proving that something is engineered off

1405
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:23,220
planet is actually insanely hard there's

1406
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:27,210
so for example let's say that I have

1407
01:02:31,550 --> 01:02:29,130
this alloy right I put in our scanning

1408
01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:31,560
electron microscope and I see that okay

1409
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:33,960
there's this continuous layering there

1410
01:02:40,220 --> 01:02:36,329
seems to be obvious manufacturing of

1411
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:40,230
this metal right people could argue that

1412
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:45,480
this is a natural or be somebody took a

1413
01:02:50,569 --> 01:02:48,510
meteorite and then they engineered the

1414
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:50,579
they extracted the metals from that

1415
01:02:54,589 --> 01:02:52,680
meteorite and then they engineered it

1416
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,599
into what you're seeing so it wasn't

1417
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:56,880
actually built somewhere off planet so

1418
01:03:01,970 --> 01:02:58,170
you see where I'm going with that so

1419
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:01,980
it's very non-trivial the task yeah and

1420
01:03:06,190 --> 01:03:04,200
what would it take

1421
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:06,200
would you think that it would take for

1422
01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:08,910
science to actually admit something was

1423
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:10,980
actually manufactured as

1424
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:14,490
extraterrestrial we would need something

1425
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:16,740
that is obvious technological function

1426
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:20,640
something that for example you know

1427
01:03:25,970 --> 01:03:22,410
imagine if you have something that

1428
01:03:27,859 --> 01:03:25,980
resembled a advanced alien microchip

1429
01:03:29,450 --> 01:03:27,869
so that's the complete analogy we would

1430
01:03:31,789 --> 01:03:29,460
never write we would never actually see

1431
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:31,799
an microchip like that it would probably

1432
01:03:38,020 --> 01:03:35,040
be completely yeah

1433
01:03:40,460 --> 01:03:38,030
alien to us it just wouldn't be obvious

1434
01:03:42,589 --> 01:03:40,470
but if we found something that I was all

1435
01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:42,599
like that like that that would be cool

1436
01:03:46,819 --> 01:03:44,910
or like an imagined anti-gravity craft

1437
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:46,829
or a fully functioning craft that's game

1438
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:51,530
over so so you're saying that in an

1439
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:55,530
anti-gravity anti-gravity craft itself

1440
01:04:01,460 --> 01:03:57,450
that that is that what you're just yes

1441
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:01,470
yeah yes that would be like that would

1442
01:04:06,890 --> 01:04:03,569
be the greatest scientific discovery of

1443
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:06,900
all time right right

1444
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:11,609
what about though if a metal I guess

1445
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:15,240
what I'm getting at is what would it

1446
01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:18,240
take for instance there's there's some

1447
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:20,040
meta materials right now being studied

1448
01:04:27,710 --> 01:04:23,849
supposedly that people have been talking

1449
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:27,720
about in the UFO field and you mentioned

1450
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:29,880
okay someone could actually fake

1451
01:04:38,180 --> 01:04:34,130
something with a meteor meteorite

1452
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:38,190
material on something like that but is

1453
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:42,210
there going to be a point where someone

1454
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:44,819
would just have to say this has to be

1455
01:04:50,750 --> 01:04:47,490
something made elsewhere by another

1456
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:50,760
intelligent species you know I mean I

1457
01:04:55,730 --> 01:04:54,000
guess what I'm getting at is what type

1458
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:55,740
of information would they need before

1459
01:05:01,490 --> 01:04:57,780
they would actually it would be accepted

1460
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:01,500
by science okay yeah that's a fantastic

1461
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:02,400
question

1462
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:04,530
let's actually circle back to some of

1463
01:05:09,980 --> 01:05:07,680
the things that I've done or and some of

1464
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:09,990
the things that I've seen right one of

1465
01:05:14,809 --> 01:05:12,569
the most common results you'll see are

1466
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:14,819
the scanning electron microscopes now

1467
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:17,760
this will give you only a certain amount

1468
01:05:21,980 --> 01:05:18,000
of

1469
01:05:24,830 --> 01:05:21,990
information but it doesn't necessarily

1470
01:05:28,580 --> 01:05:24,840
tell you the function of what you're

1471
01:05:32,210 --> 01:05:28,590
looking at so let's say that I took a

1472
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:32,220
chunk of my laptop and I gave it to you

1473
01:05:37,220 --> 01:05:35,730
and this is in the 1940s um you would

1474
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:37,230
still have to figure out right what

1475
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:41,010
function was this for and it wouldn't be

1476
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:44,370
obvious I think that your first guess I

1477
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:45,690
don't think would be that it was part of

1478
01:05:50,830 --> 01:05:47,640
a keyboard and it was part of this

1479
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:50,840
laptop so so but if you could do that

1480
01:05:57,500 --> 01:05:54,780
then now we're talking so that's what it

1481
01:06:00,740 --> 01:05:57,510
would take is if you can identify using

1482
01:06:03,380 --> 01:06:00,750
advanced scientific principles mix with

1483
01:06:07,070 --> 01:06:03,390
I guess really good design engineering

1484
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:07,080
that people can accept and believe and

1485
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:08,940
you can prove clearly that this is

1486
01:06:14,780 --> 01:06:12,240
useful tech yeah you're in the money so

1487
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:14,790
it's not I guess what I'm trying to say

1488
01:06:21,290 --> 01:06:17,160
by the way is that no Menem materials

1489
01:06:22,970 --> 01:06:21,300
alone would prove that they are you know

1490
01:06:25,540 --> 01:06:22,980
they're engineered off planet unless

1491
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:25,550
they could do something interesting

1492
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:27,450
you mean they had an interesting

1493
01:06:35,770 --> 01:06:33,090
function basically exactly yeah yeah you

1494
01:06:38,780 --> 01:06:35,780
know people have said that there are

1495
01:06:41,060 --> 01:06:38,790
implants that people who have been

1496
01:06:44,090 --> 01:06:41,070
abducted have implants and there was

1497
01:06:47,290 --> 01:06:44,100
Roger Leir had who is a podiatrist

1498
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:47,300
actually had removed a number of these

1499
01:06:51,710 --> 01:06:49,770
implants and supposedly they're being

1500
01:06:54,770 --> 01:06:51,720
stored somewhere and you know I've just

1501
01:06:58,990 --> 01:06:54,780
wondered if that is the case you know

1502
01:07:02,390 --> 01:06:59,000
why hasn't there been any study on that

1503
01:07:04,310 --> 01:07:02,400
have you ever looked at that part of of

1504
01:07:08,750 --> 01:07:04,320
the the field where people are claiming

1505
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:08,760
they're getting implants I I have and

1506
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:10,530
I'm actually specifically I think looked

1507
01:07:16,100 --> 01:07:12,030
at the claim that you're talking about

1508
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:16,110
and I believe that at least as far as I

1509
01:07:20,330 --> 01:07:19,050
think creation 17 was concerned or you

1510
01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:20,340
know one of the patients that was

1511
01:07:26,060 --> 01:07:23,550
actually a scientist themselves one

1512
01:07:28,580 --> 01:07:26,070
thing that we need to note is that they

1513
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:28,590
use Raman spectroscopy

1514
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:30,730
in order to determine if there were

1515
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,510
carbon nanotubes present inside these

1516
01:07:38,099 --> 01:07:35,920
quote alien transplants or elective

1517
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:38,109
things that they thought so

1518
01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:40,480
the thing about Raman spectroscopy is

1519
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:42,790
that you're looking at a graph and

1520
01:07:47,250 --> 01:07:44,710
you're looking at specific bumps and

1521
01:07:50,940 --> 01:07:47,260
absorption rates and based on those

1522
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:50,950
absorption rates of where the Eleanore

1523
01:07:56,430 --> 01:07:53,920
the metal that you're interested in you

1524
01:07:59,460 --> 01:07:56,440
can infer with some probability whether

1525
01:08:01,290 --> 01:07:59,470
there are carbon nanotubes inside of it

1526
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:01,300
because they'll absorb a specific

1527
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:03,970
frequency and so that will show up but

1528
01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:05,950
that's not other things can do that and

1529
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:08,380
also carbon nanotubes occur naturally in

1530
01:08:13,710 --> 01:08:11,770
nature so that was a big selling point

1531
01:08:15,150 --> 01:08:13,720
and I don't think it's good enough of a

1532
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:15,160
selling point we can't even prove that

1533
01:08:18,780 --> 01:08:16,930
there are carbon nanotubes if you see

1534
01:08:20,490 --> 01:08:18,790
what I'm saying because I could the

1535
01:08:22,860 --> 01:08:20,500
spectroscopy 11 and the Raman

1536
01:08:25,050 --> 01:08:22,870
spectroscopy is not good enough that

1537
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:25,060
being said there were interesting claims

1538
01:08:34,590 --> 01:08:30,930
about these certain implants that have a

1539
01:08:37,380 --> 01:08:34,600
radio wave frequency that they met so

1540
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:37,390
that's pretty interesting that would be

1541
01:08:43,140 --> 01:08:40,210
something that's worth probing right

1542
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:43,150
right well it would be interesting I

1543
01:08:51,090 --> 01:08:47,710
know it does it to me I've thought you

1544
01:08:52,349 --> 01:08:51,100
know this part of this part of it as far

1545
01:08:54,599 --> 01:08:52,359
as people looking into the meta

1546
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:54,609
materials and all that is interesting

1547
01:08:59,400 --> 01:08:56,290
but I thought it would be extremely

1548
01:09:00,900 --> 01:08:59,410
difficult to actually pinpoint something

1549
01:09:04,519 --> 01:09:00,910
down but you made a really good point

1550
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:04,529
the functionality part of it is is

1551
01:09:09,210 --> 01:09:07,210
something that we you know we wouldn't

1552
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:09,220
be able to do if that was the case then

1553
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:11,770
it would pretty much nail it but I don't

1554
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:13,290
really don't have hope for what we have

1555
01:09:18,660 --> 01:09:17,049
so far I third right don't worry so

1556
01:09:20,970 --> 01:09:18,670
frankly like that was one of the

1557
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:20,980
awakening moments after all my

1558
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:23,410
investigation I think a lot of you know

1559
01:09:26,249 --> 01:09:24,880
decided to send back home might agree

1560
01:09:30,749 --> 01:09:26,259
with me but I'm not going to speak for

1561
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:30,759
them is that I there's a lot of almost

1562
01:09:36,030 --> 01:09:33,850
all of this is impossible to prove et

1563
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:36,040
life frankly like I could there's not a

1564
01:09:40,769 --> 01:09:38,049
single sample out there that I could say

1565
01:09:43,530 --> 01:09:40,779
that yes this is going to this is it

1566
01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:43,540
guys this is this closure it's not it's

1567
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:44,500
no matter

1568
01:09:48,329 --> 01:09:46,480
what how close you look at it and it's

1569
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,339
not that there's nothing that's weird

1570
01:09:53,490 --> 01:09:50,319
out there there is it's just not good

1571
01:09:56,850 --> 01:09:53,500
enough right right

1572
01:09:59,970 --> 01:09:56,860
one of the things I know that you talk

1573
01:10:03,660 --> 01:09:59,980
about or you have like this hypothetical

1574
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:03,670
scenario that we may discover that we're

1575
01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:06,490
quarantine by an intelligent species do

1576
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:07,390
you want to talk about that I think

1577
01:10:13,500 --> 01:10:11,130
that's pretty fascinating yeah sure so

1578
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:13,510
one thing that I was just toying with is

1579
01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:15,490
the idea that okay

1580
01:10:20,370 --> 01:10:17,680
based on what Chris Mullin said in that

1581
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:20,380
recent article about how you ApS have

1582
01:10:25,260 --> 01:10:23,530
become more brazen in their in their

1583
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:25,270
incursions right they're becoming more

1584
01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:28,090
shameless and how they interact in more

1585
01:10:32,670 --> 01:10:30,820
interface so what that means to me I

1586
01:10:35,610 --> 01:10:32,680
think is that they have no regard for

1587
01:10:38,670 --> 01:10:35,620
our rules no regard for our laws or any

1588
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:38,680
of that um so Tom DeLonge is technically

1589
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:39,910
right in the sense that we don't have

1590
01:10:45,150 --> 01:10:42,730
sovereignty and to me I think that it's

1591
01:10:47,970 --> 01:10:45,160
not about politics it's probably that we

1592
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,980
are quarantined we probably are you know

1593
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,600
forced to follow these set of rules

1594
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:52,000
there's this you know psychological wall

1595
01:10:57,810 --> 01:10:54,420
over us you could say that we don't see

1596
01:10:59,310 --> 01:10:57,820
and so what I what I was wondering is

1597
01:11:01,800 --> 01:10:59,320
that let's say that we do find ourselves

1598
01:11:05,940 --> 01:11:01,810
in this situation how do we negotiate

1599
01:11:08,130 --> 01:11:05,950
with a more intelligent civilization or

1600
01:11:10,860 --> 01:11:08,140
intelligent beings who have determined

1601
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:10,870
that we're too dumb to you know how

1602
01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:13,570
complete sovereignty well that we just

1603
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:14,380
don't deserve it

1604
01:11:22,650 --> 01:11:19,840
yeah well I could see that case I mean

1605
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:22,660
you know as Stanton Friedman would say

1606
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:25,330
you know we were involved in tribal

1607
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:27,610
warfare you know and that's that's like

1608
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:31,440
and that's in a way primitive you know

1609
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:35,530
but it I also have talked about on this

1610
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,090
show that you know it is the seeding

1611
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:42,400
thing the whole seeding you know

1612
01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:45,910
situation is is pretty an interesting

1613
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:48,460
theory as well you know if that if that

1614
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:51,010
was the case you know if we're just a

1615
01:11:58,570 --> 01:11:56,530
test you know to watch over right and

1616
01:12:00,400 --> 01:11:58,580
with that explained

1617
01:12:02,530 --> 01:12:00,410
a lot of would you think that would

1618
01:12:09,790 --> 01:12:02,540
explain a lot of what we see is UFO

1619
01:12:13,690 --> 01:12:09,800
sightings in part yeah in part some of

1620
01:12:16,660 --> 01:12:13,700
it I think is just carelessness like it

1621
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:16,670
could be species that just don't care

1622
01:12:20,590 --> 01:12:18,710
about our existence they don't care if

1623
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:20,600
they see us they don't care if we

1624
01:12:29,130 --> 01:12:23,510
collect evidence but a lot are probably

1625
01:12:32,170 --> 01:12:29,140
more careful that's just my guess okay

1626
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:32,180
I'm going to have to take a break

1627
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:34,190
unfortunately I have not talked about

1628
01:12:37,060 --> 01:12:35,510
this but I've been really into the

1629
01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:37,070
weather and I'm gonna have to take a

1630
01:12:45,790 --> 01:12:42,110
quick break so I'm just waiting to hear

1631
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:45,800
back from race over there at kgr a radio

1632
01:12:53,290 --> 01:12:48,890
and and when we come back we can talk

1633
01:12:55,450 --> 01:12:53,300
about basically some other you know

1634
01:12:58,030 --> 01:12:55,460
questions along this line I think this

1635
01:13:01,000 --> 01:12:58,040
is uh this is interesting one of the

1636
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:01,010
things you have said you know what do

1637
01:13:07,570 --> 01:13:03,440
you think is more important technology

1638
01:13:11,130 --> 01:13:07,580
or culture and so hang in everyone we'll

1639
01:13:14,530 --> 01:13:11,140
be right back right after these messages

1640
01:13:18,190 --> 01:13:14,540
right welcome back my guest is deep

1641
01:13:21,450 --> 01:13:18,200
Prasad and I do apologize as I mentioned

1642
01:13:27,370 --> 01:13:21,460
have been under the weather a bit and so

1643
01:13:30,030 --> 01:13:27,380
going back to our conversation what do

1644
01:13:33,310 --> 01:13:30,040
you think is more important as far as an

1645
01:13:36,850 --> 01:13:33,320
extraterrestrial intelligent society out

1646
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:36,860
their culture or technology now my last

1647
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:39,770
guest Jeff Bennett he kind of talks

1648
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,320
about that you know getting through the

1649
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:43,760
bottleneck of Technology without

1650
01:13:48,190 --> 01:13:46,370
bloating blowing ourselves up you know

1651
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:48,200
that type of thing so what are your

1652
01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:51,440
thoughts on that yeah so my thoughts

1653
01:13:56,980 --> 01:13:54,440
definitely kind of echo those as well

1654
01:13:58,750 --> 01:13:56,990
it's that culture in a heartbeat is more

1655
01:14:01,780 --> 01:13:58,760
important than technology technology is

1656
01:14:04,780 --> 01:14:01,790
something that we can eventually get to

1657
01:14:06,940 --> 01:14:04,790
and actually use the question of if we

1658
01:14:09,250 --> 01:14:06,950
can even get there right like we need to

1659
01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:09,260
be able to survive at a specific point

1660
01:14:13,450 --> 01:14:12,110
in time and that's dependent on

1661
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:13,460
culture and there's other things that

1662
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:15,409
are independent on our culture that we

1663
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:17,330
don't see and maybe we haven't

1664
01:14:22,899 --> 01:14:20,000
discovered yet so if you think about it

1665
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:22,909
consider this eventually the way that

1666
01:14:27,790 --> 01:14:25,280
we're headed the Internet is a way of

1667
01:14:29,620 --> 01:14:27,800
you know transferring thought very fast

1668
01:14:31,689 --> 01:14:29,630
right it's something that we couldn't do

1669
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:31,699
even a hundred years ago it was

1670
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:34,489
impossible and so people influence each

1671
01:14:37,390 --> 01:14:36,710
other really quickly much faster than

1672
01:14:39,729 --> 01:14:37,400
ever before

1673
01:14:41,859 --> 01:14:39,739
and there's meant much more of us

1674
01:14:43,660 --> 01:14:41,869
there's millions and billions of us that

1675
01:14:45,970 --> 01:14:43,670
are connected to this almost hive mind

1676
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:45,980
like state right where you can't have an

1677
01:14:50,770 --> 01:14:49,280
opinion other than that isn't formed by

1678
01:14:53,859 --> 01:14:50,780
everything else you've already seen

1679
01:14:55,899 --> 01:14:53,869
right on the internet aren't like so so

1680
01:14:58,330 --> 01:14:55,909
if you extrapolate that what I see is

1681
01:15:00,640 --> 01:14:58,340
that eventually our culture will be

1682
01:15:02,260 --> 01:15:00,650
super super connected even you know

1683
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:02,270
there's neural link that's coming up

1684
01:15:06,910 --> 01:15:04,489
will be connected by the brain we will

1685
01:15:08,859 --> 01:15:06,920
become this potentially this hive mind

1686
01:15:11,020 --> 01:15:08,869
state like I know there's a lot of

1687
01:15:12,910 --> 01:15:11,030
negative connotations but realistically

1688
01:15:15,459 --> 01:15:12,920
I think that'll that's what will happen

1689
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,469
and when and where if that happens

1690
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:17,360
that's when culture matters even more

1691
01:15:23,770 --> 01:15:20,239
because now you have billions of minds

1692
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:23,780
with varying degrees of tolerance for

1693
01:15:27,970 --> 01:15:26,239
each other's views and emotions and you

1694
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:27,980
know you can transfer this stuff faster

1695
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:30,560
and so like how do you manage that and

1696
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,000
that kind of culture has to be

1697
01:15:36,910 --> 01:15:34,880
super-advanced and at that point I don't

1698
01:15:39,850 --> 01:15:36,920
think it becomes culture necessarily

1699
01:15:42,399 --> 01:15:39,860
become something more so what is this

1700
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:42,409
what is what do you mean exactly by you

1701
01:15:46,209 --> 01:15:44,210
said something like a neuro-link like

1702
01:15:48,939 --> 01:15:46,219
we're linked to each other our minds are

1703
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:48,949
so I was using neural link as an Elon

1704
01:15:55,180 --> 01:15:51,050
Musk example because like Elon Musk is

1705
01:15:58,359 --> 01:15:55,190
making the startup right so so he's

1706
01:16:01,780 --> 01:15:58,369
making neural link which essentially is

1707
01:16:03,399 --> 01:16:01,790
a brain - computer interface and it's a

1708
01:16:04,990 --> 01:16:03,409
right now it's a bunch of electrodes

1709
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:05,000
that you can stick into your brain and

1710
01:16:10,450 --> 01:16:07,250
it listens to your brain cells like your

1711
01:16:13,209 --> 01:16:10,460
brain signals and so you can in theory

1712
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,219
once it's a little bit better you would

1713
01:16:17,770 --> 01:16:15,679
be able to control your keyboard or you

1714
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:17,780
could control you know your mouse just

1715
01:16:22,959 --> 01:16:20,690
by thinking because the electrodes are

1716
01:16:25,570 --> 01:16:22,969
implanted into your brain and the he

1717
01:16:26,049 --> 01:16:25,580
wants to make it eventually kind of like

1718
01:16:29,229 --> 01:16:26,059
lazy

1719
01:16:30,879 --> 01:16:29,239
i surgery like very simple like you get

1720
01:16:33,849 --> 01:16:30,889
these implants and then you're good to

1721
01:16:36,879 --> 01:16:33,859
go I'm saying that we're going to go

1722
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:36,889
even farther than that but yeah neural

1723
01:16:40,089 --> 01:16:38,510
link is like clearly a step in that

1724
01:16:42,839 --> 01:16:40,099
direction Wow

1725
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:42,849
and then there's a there's the

1726
01:16:48,339 --> 01:16:46,010
singularity you hear about you know what

1727
01:16:51,579 --> 01:16:48,349
is just an advanced advancement of all

1728
01:16:53,409 --> 01:16:51,589
that right yeah you got it so the

1729
01:16:55,689 --> 01:16:53,419
singularity is more like the high flight

1730
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:55,699
kind of structure that I was talking

1731
01:17:02,739 --> 01:16:58,159
about where you know kind of just joined

1732
01:17:06,279 --> 01:17:02,749
as one hmm as it's big cybernetic being

1733
01:17:08,409 --> 01:17:06,289
yeah and you know do you think

1734
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:08,419
eventually it will come down to the

1735
01:17:12,909 --> 01:17:10,010
point where our brains could be

1736
01:17:15,939 --> 01:17:12,919
downloaded into something and you know

1737
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:15,949
we could live on an machine type of

1738
01:17:21,579 --> 01:17:17,689
thing you know like science fiction out

1739
01:17:24,099 --> 01:17:21,589
there yeah I think it's uh I think it's

1740
01:17:27,790 --> 01:17:24,109
a transient step it's not our end goal

1741
01:17:31,989 --> 01:17:27,800
there's other ways of storing who we are

1742
01:17:35,229 --> 01:17:31,999
that will be think about this way matter

1743
01:17:38,049 --> 01:17:35,239
is very weak it's not it matter will die

1744
01:17:40,419 --> 01:17:38,059
out if this universe dies out our

1745
01:17:42,609 --> 01:17:40,429
information dies with it so it's

1746
01:17:44,619 --> 01:17:42,619
officially advanced civilization I think

1747
01:17:46,419 --> 01:17:44,629
would learn how to store itself across

1748
01:17:48,759 --> 01:17:46,429
multiple realities it would have

1749
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:48,769
redundant versions of itself it would be

1750
01:17:53,049 --> 01:17:51,199
a lot weirder than just being just a

1751
01:17:56,529 --> 01:17:53,059
digital computer that stores his

1752
01:17:58,689 --> 01:17:56,539
consciousness well interesting I think

1753
01:18:00,759 --> 01:17:58,699
I'm gonna start taking calls if someone

1754
01:18:02,889 --> 01:18:00,769
would like to call in that would

1755
01:18:06,579 --> 01:18:02,899
actually help me on my end a little bit

1756
01:18:07,659 --> 01:18:06,589
just because I'm not like I say I'm a

1757
01:18:10,209 --> 01:18:07,669
little bit under the weather and

1758
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:10,219
wouldn't mind if someone would pitch in

1759
01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:12,409
a couple of questions this way so that

1760
01:18:17,379 --> 01:18:14,209
numbers up on the line it's eight five

1761
01:18:20,739 --> 01:18:17,389
five four seven two five four eight

1762
01:18:22,979 --> 01:18:20,749
three what do you think of the until the

1763
01:18:27,279 --> 01:18:22,989
callers call in what do you think about

1764
01:18:30,669 --> 01:18:27,289
the future of you know quantum computing

1765
01:18:33,699 --> 01:18:30,679
where can that lead where do you think

1766
01:18:36,669 --> 01:18:33,709
that that can actually I mean can it get

1767
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:36,679
out of control like again like science

1768
01:18:44,830 --> 01:18:41,379
technically everything can get out of

1769
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:44,840
control so I guess this is a question of

1770
01:18:49,149 --> 01:18:46,610
what will I'm more afraid personally

1771
01:18:51,820 --> 01:18:49,159
nukes and the fact that people with

1772
01:18:55,450 --> 01:18:51,830
basically a combination of buttons voice

1773
01:18:58,030 --> 01:18:55,460
commands can launch a nuke yeah so so so

1774
01:19:00,459 --> 01:18:58,040
yeah with that being said though I think

1775
01:19:02,979 --> 01:19:00,469
that in terms of where the future of

1776
01:19:06,729 --> 01:19:02,989
quantum computing is that it I think the

1777
01:19:08,649 --> 01:19:06,739
future of quantum is photonic I've

1778
01:19:12,220 --> 01:19:08,659
mentioned this before as well like

1779
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:12,230
publicly I do believe that photons is

1780
01:19:16,930 --> 01:19:14,510
the best way of representing quantum

1781
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:16,940
information for the sake of computation

1782
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:19,040
as far as that's concerned

1783
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:22,489
and naturally I think our some of our

1784
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,130
quantum computing applications that are

1785
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:27,679
really interesting involve quantum

1786
01:19:31,899 --> 01:19:29,330
gravity trying to simulate quantum

1787
01:19:34,899 --> 01:19:31,909
gravity in the lab which is right now

1788
01:19:36,750 --> 01:19:34,909
not possible can you explain that a

1789
01:19:40,899 --> 01:19:36,760
little more I don't I don't quite

1790
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:40,909
understand gravity is a field of

1791
01:19:48,459 --> 01:19:43,449
theoretical physics that attempts to

1792
01:19:50,620 --> 01:19:48,469
unify and unify the gravitational and

1793
01:19:54,459 --> 01:19:50,630
quantum mechanical models of the

1794
01:19:58,270 --> 01:19:54,469
universe and those interactions so it

1795
01:20:02,500 --> 01:19:58,280
looks at how does relativity play a role

1796
01:20:05,709 --> 01:20:02,510
in the quantum world and vice-versa this

1797
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:05,719
this is of course you can imagine I so

1798
01:20:10,270 --> 01:20:07,850
far impossible to do properly

1799
01:20:12,879 --> 01:20:10,280
no no physicists no branch of physics

1800
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:12,889
has managed it but quantum gravity does

1801
01:20:19,209 --> 01:20:15,920
a really good job like it's not perfect

1802
01:20:20,649 --> 01:20:19,219
but it's getting there okay I'm just

1803
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:20,659
looking on to see if we had any

1804
01:20:25,780 --> 01:20:23,330
questions up on the on the message board

1805
01:20:28,510 --> 01:20:25,790
so those lines are open eight five five

1806
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:28,520
four seven two five four eight three

1807
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:32,830
you're welcome to give our guests a call

1808
01:20:39,729 --> 01:20:37,850
so yeah the launch codes you know that

1809
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:39,739
that is that it's kind of scary when you

1810
01:20:45,879 --> 01:20:43,310
think of it there there are several ways

1811
01:20:47,709 --> 01:20:45,889
of destroying ourselves and the last

1812
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:47,719
guest you don't mention that we are

1813
01:20:53,729 --> 01:20:50,320
possibly on that road right now with

1814
01:20:56,939 --> 01:20:53,739
warming or I'm sorry climate change I

1815
01:21:01,319 --> 01:20:56,949
supposed to call a global warming anyway

1816
01:21:05,609 --> 01:21:01,329
I don't know you know that's that's it

1817
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:05,619
seems like a possibility but that is

1818
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:08,800
something that any culture is going to

1819
01:21:11,550 --> 01:21:10,270
have to go through in the last guest

1820
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:11,560
made a really good point of it that

1821
01:21:18,689 --> 01:21:15,489
fossil fuels are very easy to interact

1822
01:21:21,089 --> 01:21:18,699
with and to use and you know could cause

1823
01:21:26,370 --> 01:21:21,099
you know a similar issue that we're

1824
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:26,380
having right now in yeah I agree and

1825
01:21:31,890 --> 01:21:28,449
frankly you like when it comes down to

1826
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:31,900
it fossil fuels and any known fuel

1827
01:21:37,979 --> 01:21:34,570
source we have they don't really have a

1828
01:21:41,069 --> 01:21:37,989
good enough energy density compared to

1829
01:21:43,709 --> 01:21:41,079
what we think is going on when it comes

1830
01:21:50,220 --> 01:21:43,719
to let's say the you ApS that were

1831
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:50,230
observing and and about the what we're

1832
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:55,570
observing if you had to guess where

1833
01:21:59,490 --> 01:21:57,760
they're coming from would you think that

1834
01:22:02,069 --> 01:21:59,500
they're extraterrestrial do you think

1835
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:02,079
that's a like likelihood or do you have

1836
01:22:08,430 --> 01:22:04,090
a question about where they're coming

1837
01:22:14,540 --> 01:22:08,440
from I mean that's the million-dollar

1838
01:22:18,450 --> 01:22:14,550
question right I think some of them are

1839
01:22:20,990 --> 01:22:18,460
extraterrestrial but basically all of

1840
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:21,000
them or some or a lot of them are

1841
01:22:25,770 --> 01:22:23,170
something that we don't have good enough

1842
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:25,780
words for yet ultra treshelle doesn't

1843
01:22:27,870 --> 01:22:26,170
count

1844
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:27,880
interdimensional isn't good enough I

1845
01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:30,400
think it's something that our physics

1846
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:34,409
and philosophy hasn't quite you know

1847
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:38,800
encompassed just yet and where do you

1848
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:44,530
think that will lead in the future yeah

1849
01:22:51,149 --> 01:22:47,770
good question so basically it comes out

1850
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:51,159
to on the physics side of things we

1851
01:22:57,629 --> 01:22:54,489
essentially need to understand how there

1852
01:23:00,000 --> 01:22:57,639
are how different kinds of life forms

1853
01:23:01,859 --> 01:23:00,010
may be able to live in higher

1854
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,869
dimensional higher spatial dimensions

1855
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:04,000
for example

1856
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,210
and whether that's possible because one

1857
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:10,000
thing that we're seeing almost time and

1858
01:23:18,150 --> 01:23:12,970
time again is that the nature the

1859
01:23:20,730 --> 01:23:18,160
encounters that we have happen anywhere

1860
01:23:22,410 --> 01:23:20,740
so they can happen in any state of mind

1861
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:22,420
that you're in whether you're dreaming

1862
01:23:29,490 --> 01:23:25,410
you know you're on let's say DMT

1863
01:23:31,140 --> 01:23:29,500
supposedly when you're on when you can

1864
01:23:32,910 --> 01:23:31,150
when you're completely wide awake you

1865
01:23:35,190 --> 01:23:32,920
can still have what's called an

1866
01:23:39,060 --> 01:23:35,200
abduction experience right like let's

1867
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:39,070
say Travis Walton so all of these are

1868
01:23:47,460 --> 01:23:43,120
examples of something that is able to

1869
01:23:50,010 --> 01:23:47,470
exist everywhere which is weird and to

1870
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:50,020
me that means that it sounds like

1871
01:23:56,610 --> 01:23:53,890
something that's spatially higher than

1872
01:23:58,920 --> 01:23:56,620
us because that's what I would think if

1873
01:24:01,680 --> 01:23:58,930
I was in flatland and somebody put like

1874
01:24:03,870 --> 01:24:01,690
their hand through my you know world

1875
01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:03,880
right I would see five different points

1876
01:24:07,950 --> 01:24:06,550
of the hand but it's all connected to

1877
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:07,960
just one hand but it would seem like

1878
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:11,770
they're all totally you know different

1879
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:14,650
phenomena so to speak hmm

1880
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:17,440
we have a caller we have Vince Vince

1881
01:24:24,900 --> 01:24:21,250
again or Vincent once again from Ohio

1882
01:24:28,350 --> 01:24:24,910
Martin hi I'm sorry I'm gonna I'm asking

1883
01:24:30,180 --> 01:24:28,360
the easy questions but I wondered what

1884
01:24:31,980 --> 01:24:30,190
does your guest think if he's familiar

1885
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:31,990
with the manipulations that we had with

1886
01:24:34,650 --> 01:24:33,520
our nukes in the past what does he think

1887
01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:34,660
failed

1888
01:24:42,330 --> 01:24:39,900
oh you mean as far as UFOs and nukes yes

1889
01:24:46,050 --> 01:24:42,340
have you ever looked into that topic a

1890
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:46,060
deep yes certainly I think that's an

1891
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:47,710
important question right because like

1892
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:49,690
we're spending billions of dollars in

1893
01:24:56,100 --> 01:24:53,650
the security of these ICBMs and here you

1894
01:24:59,370 --> 01:24:56,110
have these technologies that can hack it

1895
01:25:02,730 --> 01:24:59,380
but more importantly I think the message

1896
01:25:05,220 --> 01:25:02,740
is very clear we need to just stop

1897
01:25:06,510 --> 01:25:05,230
playing with them I it's it's obvious

1898
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:06,520
that they don't want to bother talking

1899
01:25:11,850 --> 01:25:09,490
to us and therefore any kind of

1900
01:25:13,710 --> 01:25:11,860
interaction with something that might be

1901
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:13,720
more intelligent than us is going to be

1902
01:25:17,890 --> 01:25:16,210
important so if they're just flying over

1903
01:25:21,310 --> 01:25:17,900
in shutting down our nukes

1904
01:25:23,050 --> 01:25:21,320
let's listen great thank you

1905
01:25:25,290 --> 01:25:23,060
you have no problem thanks for the

1906
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:25,300
question yeah thanks for the call yeah

1907
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,960
yeah that that's always been such a

1908
01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:30,800
interesting part of this whole

1909
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:34,430
phenomenon that that part of it I think

1910
01:25:39,610 --> 01:25:36,890
I mentioned Stan Freeman earlier he said

1911
01:25:42,460 --> 01:25:39,620
the kids found the matches you know

1912
01:25:45,940 --> 01:25:42,470
that's what he that's what he puts right

1913
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:45,950
you know as far as the nukes go and I

1914
01:25:50,410 --> 01:25:48,320
had heard about this you know before I

1915
01:25:53,530 --> 01:25:50,420
really looked into the UFO topic years

1916
01:25:58,960 --> 01:25:53,540
ago I had heard about you know nukes and

1917
01:26:02,320 --> 01:25:58,970
and and UFOs over them you know back in

1918
01:26:04,150 --> 01:26:02,330
the 1990's or something like that we

1919
01:26:10,150 --> 01:26:04,160
have another caller I'm going to take

1920
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:10,160
that in just a minute and and so that

1921
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:12,560
number is up on the screen eight five

1922
01:26:18,370 --> 01:26:15,650
five four seven two five four eight

1923
01:26:22,150 --> 01:26:18,380
three and we have Andy calling from

1924
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:22,160
Connecticut welcome to the show Andy hi

1925
01:26:28,540 --> 01:26:25,130
guys thanks for taking my call sure I

1926
01:26:31,090 --> 01:26:28,550
wanted to ask deep great so I wanted to

1927
01:26:34,990 --> 01:26:31,100
ask deep real quick if he thinks that

1928
01:26:37,570 --> 01:26:35,000
Moore's Law where computer speed is

1929
01:26:39,070 --> 01:26:37,580
constantly increasing if that will

1930
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:39,080
continue to be the case for the

1931
01:26:44,590 --> 01:26:41,510
foreseeable future or whether it'll

1932
01:26:46,300 --> 01:26:44,600
outpace you know the the traditional

1933
01:26:48,910 --> 01:26:46,310
standard we've seen over the last few

1934
01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:48,920
decades or just his thoughts on where

1935
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:50,840
that's all headed and I'll take your

1936
01:26:57,130 --> 01:26:53,090
answer off the air thanks again guys

1937
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:57,140
good show thank you Andy yeah thanks so

1938
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:00,560
yeah essentially I think Moore's law at

1939
01:27:07,870 --> 01:27:03,050
this point is telling us that there's

1940
01:27:10,150 --> 01:27:07,880
almost no more ways to improve the

1941
01:27:13,150 --> 01:27:10,160
current size of our transistors and

1942
01:27:15,580 --> 01:27:13,160
therefore no more very little ways in

1943
01:27:18,940 --> 01:27:15,590
drilling ways of increase your computing

1944
01:27:21,730 --> 01:27:18,950
power without spending lots of money and

1945
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:21,740
engineering just to increase it a little

1946
01:27:27,820 --> 01:27:24,530
bit so if you want to think of a

1947
01:27:31,780 --> 01:27:27,830
practical example consider transistors

1948
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:31,790
that are that exist today

1949
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:34,490
so we have transistors that are almost a

1950
01:27:39,820 --> 01:27:37,850
couple atoms big and when you get to

1951
01:27:41,740 --> 01:27:39,830
that scale quantum effects start

1952
01:27:43,870 --> 01:27:41,750
dominating and so you'll have these

1953
01:27:46,660 --> 01:27:43,880
things like quantum tunneling that the

1954
01:27:49,450 --> 01:27:46,670
electrons will do that you don't have

1955
01:27:50,980 --> 01:27:49,460
with bigger systems but this quantum

1956
01:27:55,300 --> 01:27:50,990
tunneling is something that you don't

1957
01:27:58,810 --> 01:27:55,310
want so Moore's law is kind of at the

1958
01:28:01,540 --> 01:27:58,820
end of its tail where we've pushed it to

1959
01:28:02,980 --> 01:28:01,550
its limits and now it's time to look at

1960
01:28:07,090 --> 01:28:02,990
different ways of compute because

1961
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:07,100
Moore's law was specifically for binary

1962
01:28:13,150 --> 01:28:09,890
classical computers and binary

1963
01:28:16,110 --> 01:28:13,160
processing techniques are there gonna be

1964
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:16,120
other types of processing do you think

1965
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:18,050
is that basically what you're saying

1966
01:28:20,500 --> 01:28:20,090
besides binary I know I mentioned that

1967
01:28:22,930 --> 01:28:20,510
earlier

1968
01:28:26,110 --> 01:28:22,940
exactly exactly there's already quantum

1969
01:28:27,670 --> 01:28:26,120
right quantum is one example and even

1970
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:27,680
within quantum there's different kinds

1971
01:28:33,340 --> 01:28:30,410
of processing so there's qubits and then

1972
01:28:37,390 --> 01:28:33,350
there's Q modes qubits are super

1973
01:28:40,570 --> 01:28:37,400
positions of 0 to 2 to the N States

1974
01:28:43,090 --> 01:28:40,580
whereas with Q modes you have an

1975
01:28:45,610 --> 01:28:43,100
infinite number of possible states that

1976
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:45,620
one human can take on so you have all

1977
01:28:50,890 --> 01:28:47,930
these different ways of representing

1978
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:50,900
information even within quantum and I

1979
01:28:54,850 --> 01:28:53,810
feel eventually will go beyond quantum

1980
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:54,860
as well right we'll have a different

1981
01:29:00,430 --> 01:28:57,290
model and I'll have its own computer

1982
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:00,440
paradigm yeah which could almost be

1983
01:29:09,730 --> 01:29:05,360
scary yeah we have a bim calling from

1984
01:29:14,710 --> 01:29:09,740
california welcome to the show bim hi hi

1985
01:29:18,660 --> 01:29:14,720
I wanted to ask your guest do you know

1986
01:29:27,940 --> 01:29:18,670
of Lee Smolin and his new theory of time

1987
01:29:33,070 --> 01:29:27,950
no well there was alcohol great so

1988
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:33,080
what's this a theory but oh he says well

1989
01:29:38,710 --> 01:29:34,970
if you look at general relativity you

1990
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:38,720
know we live in space-time right and he

1991
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:41,600
says the time the dimension of time is

1992
01:29:45,310 --> 01:29:43,520
the same as the other dimensions is just

1993
01:29:50,260 --> 01:29:45,320
that we

1994
01:29:51,729 --> 01:29:50,270
receive time differently and his name is

1995
01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:51,739
Lee Smolin

1996
01:29:59,550 --> 01:29:54,230
he's been put in the top five

1997
01:30:06,220 --> 01:30:04,030
but he says that we might have to throw

1998
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:06,230
the scientific method because of this

1999
01:30:10,419 --> 01:30:08,960
because things don't happen in order you

2000
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:10,429
have to do the scientific method in

2001
01:30:17,470 --> 01:30:14,570
order right but if time is not as we

2002
01:30:20,919 --> 01:30:17,480
perceive it then we have to throw the

2003
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:20,929
scientific method even that that's one

2004
01:30:29,290 --> 01:30:26,530
of his one of his statements you know so

2005
01:30:31,569 --> 01:30:29,300
yeah I mean that's fantastic but you

2006
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:31,579
bring up that theory I'm always cautious

2007
01:30:34,930 --> 01:30:33,530
when someone no matter who it is says

2008
01:30:37,229 --> 01:30:34,940
that we should throw away the scientific

2009
01:30:41,709 --> 01:30:37,239
method right like let's take for example

2010
01:30:44,859 --> 01:30:41,719
so I'm not too much into relativity like

2011
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:44,869
I'm not relativistic relativist I would

2012
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:46,369
say more of a quantum physicists and

2013
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:48,320
quantum computing scientists so in

2014
01:30:53,770 --> 01:30:50,239
quantum experiments in quantum mechanics

2015
01:30:55,629 --> 01:30:53,780
we all we do have experiments where you

2016
01:30:59,589 --> 01:30:55,639
have let's say the quantum eraser

2017
01:31:01,870 --> 01:30:59,599
experiment where it's as if causality

2018
01:31:04,270 --> 01:31:01,880
seems to be broken in the way that we

2019
01:31:06,339 --> 01:31:04,280
would normally expect it to so you can

2020
01:31:09,580 --> 01:31:06,349
have information that somehow can

2021
01:31:11,319 --> 01:31:09,590
seemingly travel backwards in time and

2022
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:11,329
you could say that this is breaking the

2023
01:31:15,339 --> 01:31:13,250
scientific method or that it no longer

2024
01:31:19,899 --> 01:31:15,349
applies but I think it just means that

2025
01:31:22,060 --> 01:31:19,909
we need to get more creative okay that's

2026
01:31:27,310 --> 01:31:22,070
interesting yeah I'm trying to think of

2027
01:31:30,189 --> 01:31:27,320
some of his other quotes sure anyway he

2028
01:31:32,500 --> 01:31:30,199
says that he's trying to replace the

2029
01:31:35,260 --> 01:31:32,510
general relativity as Einstein replaced

2030
01:31:37,569 --> 01:31:35,270
Newtonian physics you know he says

2031
01:31:40,060 --> 01:31:37,579
that's how big his theory is his new

2032
01:31:42,609 --> 01:31:40,070
theory of time it's that that gigantic

2033
01:31:45,459 --> 01:31:42,619
you know and I'm not too much up on

2034
01:31:47,709 --> 01:31:45,469
quantum theory I don't know but it's

2035
01:31:54,129 --> 01:31:47,719
interesting but i I've done experiments

2036
01:31:55,780 --> 01:31:54,139
in consciousness when I've actually done

2037
01:31:57,819 --> 01:31:55,790
it and experienced it I've taught it to

2038
01:31:59,020 --> 01:31:57,829
others and they did it in front of me so

2039
01:32:03,220 --> 01:31:59,030
I've seen it I

2040
01:32:05,140 --> 01:32:03,230
I'm an engineer so I use that method you

2041
01:32:08,049 --> 01:32:05,150
know I I've seen it with my own eyes

2042
01:32:11,279 --> 01:32:08,059
where I hate so and add this this fits

2043
01:32:14,260 --> 01:32:11,289
into the whole UF ology thing because

2044
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:14,270
and the native people - actually the

2045
01:32:19,390 --> 01:32:16,610
indigenous people of the world knew

2046
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:19,400
about these things they knew about they

2047
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:21,770
knew that consciousness was not local

2048
01:32:29,379 --> 01:32:26,570
and they used that to survive I study

2049
01:32:30,850 --> 01:32:29,389
anthropology as well and I have a lot of

2050
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:30,860
native friends and so on I've learned

2051
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:35,090
some of their tricks and so on and it's

2052
01:32:40,299 --> 01:32:37,250
it's a it's a different kind of

2053
01:32:42,430 --> 01:32:40,309
knowledge it's and it's it's not

2054
01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:42,440
scientific knowledge I guess not now it

2055
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:45,440
could be some day but the the the USSR

2056
01:32:51,279 --> 01:32:49,250
did an amazing experiment where they

2057
01:32:53,410 --> 01:32:51,289
were killing baby rabbits I wonder if

2058
01:32:55,180 --> 01:32:53,420
you've ever heard of that now they found

2059
01:32:57,540 --> 01:32:55,190
that when they killed when they killed

2060
01:33:00,640 --> 01:32:57,550
the baby rabbits the mother rabbit

2061
01:33:03,220 --> 01:33:00,650
responded at the same time so they took

2062
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:03,230
the baby rabbits into another room and

2063
01:33:09,220 --> 01:33:05,840
they wired up the mother rabbit brain

2064
01:33:10,689 --> 01:33:09,230
and they got a signal when the baby

2065
01:33:13,390 --> 01:33:10,699
rabbit was killed so they took the baby

2066
01:33:15,790 --> 01:33:13,400
rabbits down in a submarine down it as

2067
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:15,800
deep as they could go and they killed

2068
01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:18,409
the baby rabbits down there on a secret

2069
01:33:24,220 --> 01:33:22,280
time schedule and up on the land where

2070
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:24,230
the mother rabbit was her brain

2071
01:33:30,339 --> 01:33:26,719
responded at exactly the same time they

2072
01:33:33,220 --> 01:33:30,349
got the responses right and so what they

2073
01:33:36,299 --> 01:33:33,230
were trying to do is to show that this

2074
01:33:40,089 --> 01:33:36,309
connection between Minds this

2075
01:33:44,979 --> 01:33:40,099
communication between mine to mind is

2076
01:33:47,740 --> 01:33:44,989
not dependent on the electromagnetic

2077
01:33:49,209 --> 01:33:47,750
spectrum that's why they took the baby

2078
01:33:54,370 --> 01:33:49,219
rabbits down in the submarine to

2079
01:33:58,240 --> 01:33:54,380
eliminate electromagnetic the

2080
01:34:01,089 --> 01:33:58,250
electromagnetic spectrum so what they're

2081
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:01,099
showing is that there might be some

2082
01:34:07,660 --> 01:34:06,170
other spectrum is that possible

2083
01:34:10,540 --> 01:34:07,670
other than the electromagnetic spectrum

2084
01:34:12,790 --> 01:34:10,550
I find humans are so focused on on the

2085
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:12,800
EM spectrum right because spar

2086
01:34:17,740 --> 01:34:15,290
or mean cents but wouldn't that be

2087
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:17,750
interesting if they were what is the

2088
01:34:22,540 --> 01:34:20,570
medium that carries the mind to mind

2089
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:22,550
connection is a question I ask because

2090
01:34:26,530 --> 01:34:24,290
I've done it many times I can

2091
01:34:28,330 --> 01:34:26,540
communicate with wild animals and things

2092
01:34:29,770 --> 01:34:28,340
like that the Native people did this to

2093
01:34:33,580 --> 01:34:29,780
a they knew all about this stuff

2094
01:34:35,230 --> 01:34:33,590
and so I've demonstrated it to myself

2095
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:35,240
and to others and I know other people

2096
01:34:41,020 --> 01:34:37,730
who can do these things as well so the

2097
01:34:43,180 --> 01:34:41,030
question becomes how how does this what

2098
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:43,190
carries the mind to mind connection

2099
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:45,290
that's that's the question I'm looking

2100
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:51,410
at yeah well when it comes to let's say

2101
01:34:55,210 --> 01:34:53,330
anything you do consciousness one thing

2102
01:34:56,860 --> 01:34:55,220
that we should always do is make sure we

2103
01:34:59,740 --> 01:34:56,870
define what we mean by consciousness

2104
01:35:02,590 --> 01:34:59,750
right so for example I could cheat and

2105
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:02,600
say that my consciousness is everything

2106
01:35:08,260 --> 01:35:04,970
in the universe including myself like

2107
01:35:10,690 --> 01:35:08,270
there's no separation so then I define

2108
01:35:12,670 --> 01:35:10,700
consciousness by saying I've dipped by

2109
01:35:16,060 --> 01:35:12,680
saying that it's equivalent to defining

2110
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:16,070
the universe and suddenly you're getting

2111
01:35:20,770 --> 01:35:18,290
nowhere right so one thing though that I

2112
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:20,780
was that I wanted to say though about

2113
01:35:26,530 --> 01:35:25,010
that rabbit experiment is that what

2114
01:35:28,540 --> 01:35:26,540
Albert Einstein would say in this kind

2115
01:35:30,610 --> 01:35:28,550
of situation is that they're still

2116
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:30,620
hidden variables that you need to rule

2117
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:32,810
out so let's say going back to the

2118
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:36,290
rabbit I'm not saying this is possible

2119
01:35:40,660 --> 01:35:37,760
like there's a hundred percent chance

2120
01:35:42,490 --> 01:35:40,670
just as it's just an example the hidden

2121
01:35:45,610 --> 01:35:42,500
variable in that experiment would be

2122
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:45,620
that the rabbits over time learned

2123
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:49,370
English and eventually they overheard

2124
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:51,530
because rabbits are good at hearing they

2125
01:35:57,490 --> 01:35:54,320
overheard the plan of killing her

2126
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:57,500
children at a specific time so at that

2127
01:36:02,650 --> 01:36:00,560
time the rabbit knowing English having

2128
01:36:04,990 --> 01:36:02,660
learned it internally even you know what

2129
01:36:07,390 --> 01:36:05,000
I mean I knew that it was time for her

2130
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:07,400
child to die so it might not be

2131
01:36:15,610 --> 01:36:12,650
connected I'm not saying that yeah there

2132
01:36:18,250 --> 01:36:15,620
there science was very good they used

2133
01:36:20,290 --> 01:36:18,260
random number generators to generate at

2134
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:20,300
times for killing the baby rabbits and

2135
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:23,330
put them in an envelope and you know

2136
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:24,890
it's very well done

2137
01:36:32,050 --> 01:36:29,930
scrupulous we've done science well I

2138
01:36:34,510 --> 01:36:32,060
just I just want to say one thing who

2139
01:36:38,940 --> 01:36:34,520
could kill baby rabbits fur no yeah I

2140
01:36:42,670 --> 01:36:38,950
was incredibly Park yeah yeah anyway I

2141
01:36:45,100 --> 01:36:42,680
don't care all right Ben

2142
01:36:48,730 --> 01:36:45,110
thank you for the call fascinating

2143
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:48,740
discussion alright interesting so we had

2144
01:36:54,810 --> 01:36:51,650
a question in a in the chatroom

2145
01:36:59,610 --> 01:36:54,820
let's see someone wanted to know where

2146
01:37:05,230 --> 01:37:02,800
okay so I'm not sure what they mean by

2147
01:37:08,350 --> 01:37:05,240
that per se like for example you could

2148
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:08,360
have like quantum ram Q RAM or you could

2149
01:37:16,570 --> 01:37:10,810
have quantum processors but if you mean

2150
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:16,580
but if you mean how do you how do you

2151
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:18,110
leverage quantum data like for example

2152
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:21,410
how is it even possible that we can

2153
01:37:28,030 --> 01:37:24,050
leverage quantum effects that's possible

2154
01:37:30,340 --> 01:37:28,040
when you specifically it depends on the

2155
01:37:32,490 --> 01:37:30,350
physics of your system the hardware so

2156
01:37:35,620 --> 01:37:32,500
let's take for example D waves

2157
01:37:38,290 --> 01:37:35,630
superconducting qubits so you have these

2158
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:38,300
wires where you bring them you cool them

2159
01:37:43,210 --> 01:37:40,810
down to the point that they're

2160
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:43,220
superconducting based on a specific

2161
01:37:48,820 --> 01:37:46,490
threshold temperature I usually it's a

2162
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:48,830
very very cold temperature so we're

2163
01:37:54,570 --> 01:37:51,650
talking about million kelvins so like

2164
01:37:59,920 --> 01:37:54,580
three or four thousandths of a Kelvin

2165
01:38:02,320 --> 01:37:59,930
just above absolute zero degrees so in

2166
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:02,330
cases like that the quantum information

2167
01:38:08,170 --> 01:38:04,850
the quantum data so to speak that the

2168
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:08,180
quantum computer is pulling from you can

2169
01:38:14,110 --> 01:38:11,690
say that's coming from the quantum state

2170
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:14,120
that you've now created because you're

2171
01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:16,490
in this superconducting state and then

2172
01:38:22,530 --> 01:38:19,280
because you applied these Josephson

2173
01:38:26,140 --> 01:38:22,540
junctions and then you poster with

2174
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:26,150
magnets to get your specific yeah

2175
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:30,050
overall quantum state I see

2176
01:38:37,180 --> 01:38:34,880
so as far as your interest in UFOs we

2177
01:38:38,590 --> 01:38:37,190
have about five minutes left here and as

2178
01:38:41,620 --> 01:38:38,600
far as your interest in

2179
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:41,630
UFOs what what part of the subject are

2180
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:45,050
you looking into most have you actually

2181
01:38:49,930 --> 01:38:48,080
done any research of any cases in

2182
01:38:54,070 --> 01:38:49,940
particular or is it just a general

2183
01:38:57,250 --> 01:38:54,080
fascination yeah both like general

2184
01:39:00,460 --> 01:38:57,260
fascinate shouldn't I looking into the

2185
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:00,470
tick-tock eye incident right so for

2186
01:39:09,190 --> 01:39:04,130
example yeah with the tic-tac I'm going

2187
01:39:11,050 --> 01:39:09,200
out to the Catalina island's with Kevin

2188
01:39:13,390 --> 01:39:11,060
day and dr. Kevin Knuth and some other

2189
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:13,400
guys you're part of that I didn't even

2190
01:39:20,730 --> 01:39:18,770
know that Wow though okay I'm the vice

2191
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:20,740
president of technology for the

2192
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:23,570
organization we're essentially another

2193
01:39:28,540 --> 01:39:26,210
study right so we're an evolution of

2194
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:28,550
study that's how we're kind of framing

2195
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:32,690
ourselves and my role will be to oversee

2196
01:39:38,380 --> 01:39:35,930
the technologies either integrating ones

2197
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:38,390
that exist or developing new ones for

2198
01:39:44,650 --> 01:39:40,960
detecting and tracking these you ApS and

2199
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:44,660
creating different technologies you know

2200
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:48,610
that are related to the UAP topic

2201
01:39:52,990 --> 01:39:51,170
interesting well I'm glad you're a part

2202
01:39:55,450 --> 01:39:53,000
of that that's that's fascinating I

2203
01:39:58,060 --> 01:39:55,460
don't know if you what a number of

2204
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,070
people have told me to watch this video

2205
01:40:02,530 --> 01:40:00,320
and I watched it recently and basically

2206
01:40:05,410 --> 01:40:02,540
it's a guy I think his last name is

2207
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:05,420
Murray Michael Murray or something like

2208
01:40:11,950 --> 01:40:08,690
that is claiming that he was an Air

2209
01:40:14,410 --> 01:40:11,960
Force intelligence officer and that yeah

2210
01:40:17,020 --> 01:40:14,420
I was of it you watch some of that yeah

2211
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:17,030
and that it was basically the Air Force

2212
01:40:22,060 --> 01:40:20,810
messin with the Navy and I just had sent

2213
01:40:26,110 --> 01:40:22,070
that to Kevin and wanted to get his

2214
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:26,120
reaction and so what is the general

2215
01:40:33,100 --> 01:40:30,530
consensus of that I made a comment you

2216
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:33,110
know I kind of thought there was a lot

2217
01:40:35,170 --> 01:40:34,370
of red flags that went up when I was

2218
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:35,180
watching that

2219
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:36,410
you know wonder what your thoughts right

2220
01:40:43,090 --> 01:40:39,280
yeah yeah no I I'm in complete agreement

2221
01:40:45,010 --> 01:40:43,100
so the part I listen to the one thing

2222
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:45,020
that stood out to me is how much faith

2223
01:40:51,700 --> 01:40:48,050
he was putting into using the UFO

2224
01:40:52,569 --> 01:40:51,710
patents you know those patents yeah he

2225
01:40:55,060 --> 01:40:52,579
was saying

2226
01:40:57,819 --> 01:40:55,070
yeah so this is how this works in it was

2227
01:40:59,529 --> 01:40:57,829
completely superficial knowledge like he

2228
01:41:02,679 --> 01:40:59,539
clearly didn't understand what he was

2229
01:41:04,589 --> 01:41:02,689
talking about and that was a huge red

2230
01:41:07,449 --> 01:41:04,599
flag to me because he was using that to

2231
01:41:09,609 --> 01:41:07,459
confidently debunk the tic-tac so I'm

2232
01:41:11,319 --> 01:41:09,619
like all right this guy doesn't know

2233
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:11,329
what he's talking about or he does and

2234
01:41:17,409 --> 01:41:13,760
he's purposely just trying to fool like

2235
01:41:19,540 --> 01:41:17,419
laziest percentage you know people yeah

2236
01:41:22,029 --> 01:41:19,550
so that was my food but I just I just

2237
01:41:25,149 --> 01:41:22,039
felt the vibe of overall nefariousness

2238
01:41:26,770 --> 01:41:25,159
for whatever reason yeah well there was

2239
01:41:29,799 --> 01:41:26,780
some fast talking and some technical

2240
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:29,809
talking and and all that but I wasn't I

2241
01:41:36,569 --> 01:41:34,010
wasn't I don't know what there was a lot

2242
01:41:41,739 --> 01:41:36,579
of things that he said that made me

2243
01:41:44,319 --> 01:41:41,749
think that it wasn't too well to be

2244
01:41:46,329 --> 01:41:44,329
taken seriously and one of the things

2245
01:41:49,389 --> 01:41:46,339
you know when whenever he was asked

2246
01:41:51,159 --> 01:41:49,399
about anything specific he he acted like

2247
01:41:52,659 --> 01:41:51,169
I was classified he can't talk about

2248
01:41:54,939 --> 01:41:52,669
that but he could talk about everything

2249
01:41:58,359 --> 01:41:54,949
else you know I mean so as soon as he

2250
01:42:00,579 --> 01:41:58,369
got nailed down he anyway I don't know

2251
01:42:05,799 --> 01:42:00,589
if the listeners have paid attention to

2252
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:05,809
that or not but anyway so where when de

2253
01:42:11,049 --> 01:42:08,239
is that actually the we're that's next

2254
01:42:12,429 --> 01:42:11,059
November so you're leaving next November

2255
01:42:15,969 --> 01:42:12,439
and it's gonna be you're gonna be on a

2256
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:15,979
boat right exactly yeah for ten days Wow

2257
01:42:19,779 --> 01:42:18,530
well that's that's exciting I can't wait

2258
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:19,789
for that to happen and I'm sure I'll

2259
01:42:25,179 --> 01:42:23,119
have probably have to have an on before

2260
01:42:27,579 --> 01:42:25,189
that happens well that's it for us

2261
01:42:30,849 --> 01:42:27,589
tonight thank you so much for for

2262
01:42:33,179 --> 01:42:30,859
joining us and thanks for hanging in I

2263
01:42:35,979 --> 01:42:33,189
three that are extra break we had to to

2264
01:42:38,349 --> 01:42:35,989
but I don't know it yeah alright

2265
01:42:40,989 --> 01:42:38,359
everyone so that's gonna be it for our

2266
01:42:43,599 --> 01:42:40,999
show thank you so much for for watching

2267
01:42:45,759 --> 01:42:43,609
and listening and we will be back next

2268
01:42:50,349 --> 01:42:45,769
week I can't wait for our guests next

2269
01:42:53,469 --> 01:42:50,359
week that is Bryce Zabel and he's always

2270
01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:53,479
very interesting and it should be a

2271
01:42:58,239 --> 01:42:56,570
great show next week so I want to thank

2272
01:43:02,109 --> 01:42:58,249
everyone else I want to thank everyone

2273
01:43:04,449 --> 01:43:02,119
that helps out with this show and again

2274
01:43:06,010 --> 01:43:04,459
we'll be back next week and remember to

2275
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:06,020
keep your eyes

2276
01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:08,570
to the sky